Clinton deftly managed Trump into collapse

In the past I’ve called her intelligent, educated, experienced, a champion of social liberalism, a solid Secretary of State and someone who’s weathered countless attacks from the right and I’ve still been called a misogynist or a stooge of Fox News by her most vehement supporters because I also dared criticise one of her policies or her difficulties connecting with voters or one of her other flaws. This has been going on since 2008 and the “PUMA” days and it won’t end after she’s elected.

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I’m wondering what sarcastic remark is rattling around her brain to cause that facial expression. I feel like it would be hilarious.

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THANK you. Jesus CHRIST.

Well played, generic_name. Well played.

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You know how it is not acceptable to accuse Jewish people of belonging to the group who systematically murdered their people.

It applies to the other groups who were also getting the same thing happen to them, too. :rage:

Of course, the usual thought comes to mind.

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I’m suddenly reminded of this line from Blow-Up: “Some people are bullfighters, some people are politicians" (I figured the latter was intended to be synonymous with “bullshitters”).

And Kerry in 2004.

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You’re very optimistic on how long it will take to suppress them. Especially that Trump announced he might not concede.

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Maybe Clinton has both a private and a public position on abortion rights.

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“Who’s got dog poop in their shoe?”

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As with many things in life, it’s not WHAT you say but how you express those criticisms that matters.

Suggesting that a broad group of people is crazy because you keep having that response doesn’t make you look better, especially when you fail to note context. It also doesn’t make those people look crazy because you fail to quote specific examples.

Instead, you preach to the (admittedly small) choir while playing above-all.

Come on now. The PUMA crowd were a very small subset of her support even back them, some are Trump voters this time around which tells you a lot about their place in this current election.

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I express those criticisms in gender-neutral terms and in the context of my explicitly liberal/borderline progressive outlook (which is at odds with her Third-Way watered-down versions of neoliberalism and warhawkery). I also usually couch it in terms of her intelligence, pragmatism, history, etc.

I’m not saying all of her supporters react to that with cries of "misogyny!"and “secret GOP supporter!” but her most vehement ones do. They are a vocal subset, but those are crazy responses, reminiscent of the PUMA crowd (the BernieBros of 2008).

I am surprised to hear that some of them are now supporting her opponent. True, the PUMAs were mostly affluent and selfish white Boomers prone to indulge in light racial bigotry, but I can’t see a feminist who supported Clinton in 2008 turning around 8 years later and voting for a chauvinist pig when she is finally the Dem nominee for POTUS.

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Long story short “Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake”

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I think it’s more a Charity thing - they’re apparently normally willing to work with people who disagree with them.

However, I will note, that while Bill Clinton and John Kerry were barred from participation in this Festival of WASPs over their support for reproductive rights, nothing Trump has said or done has disqualified HIM for participation in this, and he’s proudly done much that is actually monstrous.

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You know, that is kind of disturbing to think about. He both got in an argument with and insulted the Pope, but somehow the archbishop of New York found insulting the Pope less serious than being pro-Choice at a Catholic run event.

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I’m not saying anything about you, personally. I’m saying that if a number of self-identifying feminists are calling you out, either your messaging needs some tweaks (I did witness some Berniebros in the wild) or perhaps you’re exaggerating the number of crazies and unfairly applying that to anyone who currently supports Hillary?

As someone who caucused for Bernie and has followed his support to Hillary, I find the suggestion that a decent number of them are offkilter to be really counterproductive to the point you’re trying to make here.

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What about people who are against abortion personally, but are for abortion legalization because eliminating it as a possibility will cause a ginormous public policy clusterfuck?

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This isn’t a Clinton problem. No matter who your preferred political candidate is, there will be some fans of that candidate who will be creeps online, regardless of whether they’re Clinton, Stein, Trump, or Johnson fans (and was an issue with some Sanders fans). Partisans who take on their political party as a part of their identity have always been around and those types sometimes circle the wagons and attack disagreement as a threat.

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Perhaps she has a “I’m with her” button under the jacket…

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Yep, you think there aren’t Stein fans who hold a massive amount of ungrounded opinions and smugness?

Oh no, but that’s different…