You shouldn’t waste your time with this. Go on the offensive. Trump can’t handle secret info. “He’s worse than Clinton.”
At this point, his supporters have to ignore an awful lot. Dont let them.
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Also, the article seemingly refers to some convention, or ‘way’, that presidents should leave office.
There is no convention. There is no real blocking the Prez from being a politician. Just usually they’ll have a better life keeping out of the fray and speaking at (expensive) rubber chicken dinners. They tend to agree that mucking about with an incumbent’s administration is detrimental to the fragile balance of governance vs people; especially in the USA, where you have so many ‘off grid’ groups, like constituional pre-ambleists (I can’t even spell that).
My point is - their point is vapid. There is no substance to the idea that a Prez should not re-engage.
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I’ve seen this multiple places, not just “conservative spin” sites; Obama’s known to have told his staff in multiple memos that he wasn’t going to go on the offensive against the incoming president while he was still President. But after the inauguration, and a short rest, he’d be “standing right beside you all” to combat the undoing of his legacy. What that means is uncertain.
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Some ex-Presidents spend decades building houses for poor people, even while battling cancer into their 90s. Others dedicate their time to painting pictures of puppies. So whatever floats your boat!
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STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT.
You are constantly insulting people here, using your family’s lies to demean strangers on the internet, while at the same time asking us to spend time and energy telling you how to solve your family issues.
Stop insulting us if you want us to help you.
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The people that write and read that stuff aren’t the people who thought Clinton was too corporate for them and voted for Stein in those three states anyway, so they aren’t why we got Trump.
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This a thousand times.
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Also, I read that article… and there’s nothing in it? Its just all sound and fury… there is no meat, no “thing” that Obama is supposed to be doing, just a lot of implications and inferences, all designed to get people worked up but for nothing, literally nothing. Save their hate of Obama. There is no story here. This is 100% pandering to emotion. And that is terrifying.
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And any group looking to discredit Obama should definitely NOT be based on “political norms”, otherwise they’d have been apoplectic about Merrick Garland.
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Here’s an imgur post I think could be instructive:
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Less than a month in.
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It’s still a rotten thing to do, and something that shows who Obama really is. Please like and share on Facebook and Twitter if you agree.
Do you think Obama needs to fade into private life and leave Trump to govern? Scroll down to comment below!
Translation:
Waah waaaaah Obama isn’t shutting up like we want him to! Please make him shut up! Pleeeeeease agree with us that he needs to shut up!
It’s none of anybody’s business if Obama wants to speak out against Trump. He can do what he wants. His opposition isn’t unprecedented, it’s just that people have such short memories they can’t think back to the last time it’s happened. Besides, conservatives have no argument, given McConnell’s resistance to Obama when Obama was President.
I’m trying to say something glib and polished about this article, like I’m a CNN panelist offering an opposing view,* but I can’t. I think I’m done trying to play CNN panelist and beg for equal footing with a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists and professional floppers. There is simply no validity in saying Obama doesn’t have the right to speak his mind, and to piss and moan about resistance to Trump after what the Republicans did to Obama. It is simply more bullshit from Flop City.
We are in the same position that Republicans have wet dreams about being in. Let that sink in. If you’re talking to Christian conservatives who hammer on about being oppressed, you might want to point to examples of people actually being oppressed, which shouldn’t be too hard to find. Every time they try to flop, bring them back, don’t let them flop.
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I think the Democrats really should have hammered this point home during the election. Instead of getting all upset about how Donald Trump uses bad words and is disrespectful toward people he doesn’t like, they should have gone after him for basically being ISIS’ number one recruitment tool. Care about national security? Trump is destabilizing said security, both through sheer staggering incompetence and through willful engagement in terrorism.
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I don’t see any insults there.
He does have a point though. The Clinton camp has been dismissive of Trump supporters and also Sanders supporters, and that’s a big part of why she lost. You also can’t deny that there is a divide between liberals and Trump supporters. Many Trump supporters don’t know any liberals and vice versa. @singletona082 and I are in the unenviable position where we literally cannot avoid talking to Trump supporters, and can’t sweep the subtle differences (haha) under the rug, so how do we do it? What do we need to do to show them that 1) we are not the enemy, and 2) treating us as the enemy will only undo the sense of unity that we desperately need to stick together as a country?
Exactly my point. You see this as empty verbiage with no reasoned thought process behind it, but that’s no reason to dismiss it out of hand. It’s crazy, but simply saying it’s crazy and using the same damn techniques that we know won’t work on them is also crazy. And some of us do need to talk to Trump supporters, because we literally can’t avoid it. The problem is, once the crazification process has been started, how do we reverse it, preferably using the same process but in reverse?
Other than that, I really hope you’re okay, @singletona082. I seriously do. I wish there was something I could do to help out in some way.
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Dismiss what? There’s nothing in there to dismiss. Honestly, if someone asked me about that article, my response would be
“…and?”
I can’t say I’d have cared if W had stayed involved in politics post 2008.
(and I might ask why they were sharing a three month old article)
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My Dad’s gf voted for Rob Ford. She loved him. Wished she could have voted for him again. Straight up thought the media was mean to him and “picked on him”. She also thought that every politician was corrupt and everyone “smoked crack” - so it didn’t matter with Rob, at least he was honest about it.
So if thats the basis, if thats whats underneath everything… how do you talk about that?
I had many conversations with Muslim men (I take a lot of taxis) about Rob Ford and drugs. And for people that are teetotallers, the crack made no difference. Drinking alcohol, smoking pot… crack, it was all the same. And nothing I said was going to make them change their minds.
I got nothing.
Just that I did this already, small scale, and it was frustrating as fuck.
I wish you all luck.
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I would seriously want to know what Obama said or did that was so objectionable, and how it compared to what was done to him while he was the sitting President.
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I’ve seen other “stories” that are more detailed. You know what Obama’s current sins are? He doesn’t like the current President, and he’s teaching activists how to organize.
Because God forbid that peaceful protesters know how to deliver a solid cohesive message so that the conservatives don’t make fun of 'em for being disorganized.
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What I need out of you and everyone else is to keep me from turning into a screaming narssicistic asshole by constantly calling me out on my own crap. I say this even as my first instinctive response to such is cyou sonovabitch how dare you.’
I know i can get wound up I know the people I interact with do a damned fine job of that. I also know that my perception gets skewed by getting told over and over again how I am wrong (but you’re totally allowed that wrongheaded opinion.) Only to hear more of the same family of noises from the other side of the divide leaves me in a position where I want dialogue from people that to me are uninterested in such where it won’t be a laughably one sided affair.
So what I hear you saying is that you have either not read or at least not remembered anything I’ve said on the subject. Which is your right as an individual, but it makes it hard for me to continue the discussion. I’m not going to repeat myself yet again.
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To be honest, it’s been really hard to follow across all the threads, and I don’t think I would if I could. I just didn’t see anything demeaning in the post you quoted.
I don’t even know how to respond. Maybe I shouldn’t have stepped in the middle of this.
All I know is that telling him to stop won’t do anything.
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