What medical facts are made up? That covid kills old people exponetially more than the young?
85+ years 630x higher death rate than 18 - 29 year olds
The blood of every single person in a higher risk group not vaccinated first as a result of her decision to vaccinate less vulnerable people.
The young teachers are exponetially less likely to be killed by covid, all the rest is window dressing.
arguing about who goes first and who goes second is really not helpful
either itâs a waste of time, or if it changes the course of events, it does so by delaying vaccinations
Youâre making the assumption that teachers are all young. Many teachers I know are over 45, and several are 50-60 years old because they changed careers and began teaching after 35 years old. Some also stayed in teaching because they enjoyed it. Furthermore, there are many support staff who are much older than 50.
If you wants kids to return to in-person learning, youâre going to have vaccinate school teachers and support staff.
I canât speak for @anon29537550, and IANAD, but as far as I know, risks boil down to a few area. Risk of complications/comorbidities is only one. Exposure risk is another.
To vaccinate a healthy 70 yo who could stay socially distanced for a few more weeks while postponing treatment for a teacher or grocery store clerk who is interacting every day with dozens or hundreds of possible infection vectors, thatâs a consideration to take into account.
Not only potential outcome for the person receiving the vaccination, but potential for community spread.
Iâm glad I donât have to make these decisions. Anyone trying to make it seem simple is either misguided or willfully obtuse.
granted i work retail but i am annoyed by all of the states prioritizing teachers. theyâre doing this largely to get parents back to productive work. thatâs an economic decision not a public health decision
public health would be prioritizing people who are at most risk. the elderly, health care workers, bus drivers, factory and warehouse workers, and probably last grocery and retail and restaurant workers, then everyone else
i am just baffled that teachers are getting vaccinated before people who have to work in the public or in enclosed spaces with others.
once upon a time grocery store workers were âheroesâ and âfront line workersâ - now? back of the line.
itâs frustrating because opening schools is a choice. not everybody has the choice but to work in person
Unfortunately, in many areas teachers are being forced to work in person. They shouldnât be, but as long as they are, they probably need some degree of prioritization.
The more different groups there are, the slower it all gets
Sorry, there are still 400 bus drivers who have not been vaccinated yet, come back next month
Actually, in our city (one that has itâs own Health Department), vacinations for grocery store employees were a week before teachers, who were in roughly the same group as over 65. I know our mayor has stated that all healthcare workers have been vaccinated (of those who want to be), so they have been very aggressive about reaching out to the essential workers who come into contact with the community. My guess is that the bus drivers were vaccinated as essential city employees (police and fire).
Just an aside here, but Japan found the best way to keep elderly people safe in years past from influenza was actually to vaccinate children first, people with more social contacts being immunized first is a known, proven strategyâŚ
Zero Covid is the big political argument in Ireland at the moment. The data is in. Nothing else works. It does. We saw what happens to a relatively low rate when you let 100,000 people in December into their crowded family homes from heavily infected areas while trying to have some ânormalityâ: a world beating spike in infections. The people are not the problem. They are compliant. The infection rate is about one eighth of what it was 2 and a half weeks ago. The government is/was the problem. They are the only political parties not advocating zero Covid.
Labour finally came on board this week but People Before Profit started the ball rolling last year. I was going to put a clip of Toryboy Varadkar in the arseholes gallery arguing border controls would mean no holidays this year. Fucker. No holidays this year. Vaccines are delayed and waiting for them to solve this will kill people. Many people and might not work. Zero Covid will.
As an aside arseholes (the government) my mother was due her vaccine over a week ago instead she woke up coughing blood and was brought to hospital and then the overcrowded Covid ward after a positive swab. Thatâs the governmentâs fault. It is the predictable outcome of their choices, their bad policy, and their bad faith arguments.
They will kill thousand(s) more if they do not pursue zero Covid which is also be better for the economy.
ETA amend the fact that zero Covid strategy is also economically sound as well as not sacrificing people for the economy.
What you are âmissingâ is risk of acquisition. We (society) require certain people to risk their health, and their lives, for us to be able to continue functioning. To tell a certain group that they are not permitted to protect themselves, and also we will no allow you to get vaccinated is eminently unjust. Add in the fact that a large chunk of that same group has historically been discriminated and oppressed and I hope you can see where I and others are going with this.
Covid is a disease, you vaccinate those most likely to spread it first, then the next most likely, etc. etc, what medical fact am I missing here?
Covid is a disease, you vaccinate those most likely to get it first, then the next most likely, etc. âŚ
Covid is a disease, you vaccinate those subcommunities most likely to be negatively impacted by it first âŚ
Covid is a disease, you vaccinate those who are most likely to reduce the number of deaths and detrimental effects to social wellbeing overall by vaccinating them, recognizing that this may not be the group of people most likely to die if they catch it and that the strategies for doing so may be difficult to determine.
Wishful thinking
Iâm so sorry for you and your mom! Sending whatever good vibes I can from across the pond.
Well, hell, this is not good
tl;dr: This Brazilian variant is causing a major outbreak in an area that should have reached herd immunity. Preliminary studies suggest antibodies against garden-variety covid donât âseeâ this one.
If anyone was wondering why folks are recommending double masking now, here you go. This P.1 variant has already been found in the US. Do not let your guard down.
Vox did a pretty good deeper dive into the âwhyâsâ of the recent seeming increase in concerning mutations, for anyone curious
In essence, slow vaccine rollout, people refusing to accept reality and âlife will find a way.â (I know, before I get pedant-ed, that defining viral forms as âlifeâ is controversial, but I come down on the side that parasites are life, and this is just the extreme version of that. So 
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sooo ⌠whatâs the plan if the virus is mutating faster than we can develop and test more vaccines
Same as before we had vaccines, (double) mask, isolate, be smart. Probably looking at it becoming endemic rather than going away. We need leadership at the national and international level, and maybe we can get that now? Maybe? But for the most part, it will come down to individual efforts.
