Delta Flight 89 en route LAX for emergency landing dumps jet fuel on school playground in Cudahy — 17 children, 9 adults treated

I enjoyed the hooker dancing in blood spray from Ricky’s neck after he was decapitated by barbed wire ripping his head off stuck in a manhole cover manacle. Because it was ridiculous

After that, it was the bus full of kids with the flamethrower and the charred corpse shoved in front of TV cameras that just made it too dark for me.

I love horror, but gore porn makes me feel sick as a human

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The safe minimum altitude for fuel dumps appears to be approx. 6000 feet (“the altitude allowing 90% of the kerosene [sic?] to be evaporated before touching the ground, thus allowing a minimal impact on the environment.”).

But here’s the altitude track for the plane that dumped today. As you can see, they never got above 8000 ft, and the majority of its (very short) flight was below the recommended minimum altitude for fuel dumping:

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Dude, spoilers!!! Some of us still have plans to see Hobo With a Shotgun! Some day! :laughing:

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“…dumped what’s believed to be fuel on an elementary school playground, hitting several students…”

Er, “several students”? What a weird way for a reporter to describe it. They crop-dusted whole neighborhoods along their flight path. It was a lot more than “several” students; it would have been, at a minimum, all the students who had been outside at that point (as well as anyone else outside in the areas). They were flying to Shanghai, so that would have been a lot of fuel.

What, like after it gets sprayed out of an airplane thousands of feet up, drifting down in a mist that’s getting finer as it’s evaporating?

I think it might have been a wee bit flamable…

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There is a theory going around that the crew dumped fuel over water as per procedure, but forgot to turn off the fuel dump when they returned to land at the airport.

That theory makes sense. I was surprised to hear that they were dumping fuel over land.

Regardless of how well atomized it is, the stoichiometric pressure has to be high enough to light off. There is basically no chance that it was still dense enough by the time it filtered down to the ground.

The concern is that Kerosene isn’t a particularly pleasant substance and could irritate your lungs and eyes. That’s what the kids were treated for.

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I would think it would be either too coherent as a liquid, or too spread out as a mist. There might be a sweet spot in the middle where it would ignite, but if this was very likely I highly doubt they would allow people to do it.

It seems in the report the people affected had skin and eye irritations and breathing issues, which seems to be the most danger.

Yeah, well, unless you’re a jet engine it’s nothing you’d want to breath in.

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Oh? When some of the jet fuel hits the ground as liquid, it’s going to arrive with a cloud of vapor in varying density. It’s not as touchy as gasoline, but that’s only relatively. In a suburban area, better hope that no one is having a barbecue outside.

Besides the health claims, it won’t do the paint and whatnot on houses and cars any good. (Solar panels?)

I think you could expect an open fire to possibly flare up, but turbulence and dispersion will prevent it from becoming a fuel air bomb. The range at which Kerosene is really dangerous is surprisingly narrow. Even with Gasoline it is pretty hard to accidentally make a fuel air bomb, although you can start fires without full on exploding. The biggest danger is that the vapors can pool on the ground in an enclosed space and become dangerous, but that’s not a huge issue for an outdoor fuel dump.

All I’m saying is the risk of explosion was very low. The risk of fire was low. And the risk of eye/nose/throat irritation was high.

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But this wasn’t, in any way, done within guidelines. It was an act of desperation that caused danger to others. The combustion likelihood probably wasn’t huge (in the absence of open fires in the dump zone), but it’s not like this happened within “allowed” parameters.

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