Doritos thinks women don't like to eat crunchy chips in public, so it's making a new “lady-friendly” version

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That’s fair. I drink Coke Zero because I actually can’t handle the taste of Diet Coke. Given the choice of Diet Coke or a bottle of Schweppes tonic water at a gig once I chose the unmixed tonic water. (It was a creed gig - I’d already made enough bad decisions for the evening).

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Funny, I actively like tonic water.

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Good stuff and you never know when you might have to fight off malaria.

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You’re not alone.

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I will lick my fingers and stick them right back in the fucking bag while maintaining direct eye contact with these guys.

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That sounds like a very specific fetish service :wink:

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Nah. We eat popcorn with chopsticks. I also carry a pair and cutlery on me, because I prefer to eat with that and not my fingers.

Nah. Not for potato chips or Doritos, because I hardly eat those anyway. But other stuff, like French fries or popcorn, sure. Though I have pairs of tit Kim chopsticks for that, in my drawer, our car, my tote or messenger bag, etc. along with cutlery and often also a cup (also titanium) and even a linen napkin.

You are so savage!

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:thinking: hmm…titanium?

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Any sentence by a man that starts with “Women like…” has already failed.

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But chips are only useful as salt-conveyance devices. No salt = what’s the point?

Next you’ll be talking heresy about the point of movies being about what you watch, rather than a thinly veiled excuse to eat popcorn.

Not if the rest of the sentence is to be treated like human beings.

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I can pretty much guarantee that there is some woman somewhere who will feel this is an unjustified generalization. The simple act of making any universal claim about all women is a bad idea, especially if the speaker is not part of said group.

And yes, in context, the speaker does not usually mean to claim every single women. But if you’re in a position of power, your job is to avoid generalizations - Doritos could just as easily intended a product for people who care about crunch or whatever this is supposed to address, and never explicitly correlated it with gender.

Note to above: I re-read the original article more carefully. The person making the remarks, PepsiCo’s longtime CEO Indra Nooyi, is female. Oh well. Still easy enough to take out of context.

This whole feminist thing isn’t so hard and onerous. I promise you. We happen to be people and kind of hate it when abused, ignored, or condescended to. To imagine that women can’t also do that to other women is pretty short sighted.

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Hard or onerous? It’s simple consideration.

Generalizations are a shortcut which always have the potential to offend. If you are in a position of power, you need not worry about being outside that generalization - for example, there’s never going to be any generalization that will cause me, a straight, white, middle-class male any substantial harm.

However, such generalizations by the powerful on the less powerful, however, have demonstrably caused great harm.

Consequently, avoiding generalizations (even if its as simple as “Many women like…” or better still “Many people like…”) is simply common courtesy, especially if the generalization is about a less powerful group.

As a senior representative of an institution, your ability to harm, and thus the scrutiny with which your words will be scanned for harm, is much higher. They should be held to a higher standard because a major part of their job is to avoid offense rather than say anything insightful or meaningful (of which this was neither).

Anyway, this is a long-winded (what else is new) way of saying offense is not transitive and the golden rule is wrong. I should not be treating all people the way I wish to be treated because we’re not in similar situations, and what is perfectly acceptable for someone to say to me is NOT acceptable for me to say to them.

I’ve got a cart-load of totally unearned privilege (starting with the fact that I’m easily in the global first percentile of earnings), and with that undeserved power comes the responsibility (at a minimum) to phrase things a little more carefully when speaking or referring to the less privileged.

Of course as you point out, oppression can come from within, but as with these things, I’m far more concerned about the actions of groups in which I have membership.

Once again, if you imagine women as people instead of some exotic animal that needs to be tamed, it’s incredibly helpful in seeing that women are indeed, actually people.

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I’m actually not super fond of most chips because the flavoring is caked on and there’s just too much salt. I rather dislike Doritos because they’re not pleasant to eat on any level. I’m also not fond of licking my fingers after eating chips and the lick because i know i’m not very hygienic :stuck_out_tongue: I usually just wipe my hands clean on several napkins.

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