This term, “testosterone-shaming”, what does it mean?
“[T]eaching people to be modest” is telling them that they should be ashamed if they dress, by your standards, immodestly. So yes, that is slut shaming. That is precisely slut shaming.
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No, no, didn’t we already learn that you shouldn’t be thinking of the children?
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Don’t exaggerate my position. I didn’t draw a direct line between immodest dress and rape, and I don’t blame a woman for getting raped if she is immodestly dressed. Immodest dress can excite desires, can SOMETIMES increase the risk of assault, and can increase the cultural problem of women being viewed by their exterior rather than as people. That doesn’t mean I don’t blame an assailant.
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Exactly like all the conservative politicians who take their daughter to the next state over when they force her to get an abortion.
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That reflects extremely poorly on you, Jon.
You are the problem. It’s not “other people”.
Fix your own damaged viewpoint before you lecture women.
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Maybe you’re blaming an assailant as well, but you are still blaming the victim for causing the situation.
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So let’s straw man your position: why do you teach your daughter not to walk around naked outside? Only because it’s illegal? Do you not believe in the idea of modesty AT ALL?
I think “slut shaming” is shaming a woman for being a sexual person, or engaging in sex, or just because she is a woman and is sexual. teaching people to be modest in public is not slut-shaming, in my opinion. I understand that it may be in yours, and I’m fine disagreeing with you about that. I just wish that you could respect those who feel otherwise and not insist that no modesty ever is the only acceptable instruction.
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What about your son?
Why is modesty only required of women?
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I kind of need this explained.
If I understand correctly, you’re saying that a woman like Nicki Minaj in the video Anaconda is not going to be judged more by her external appearance than a random business woman in a suit or simple dress?
Do you seriously expect men to NOT look more at women who wear immodest dress? Is that your idea of feminism? Change men’s hormones?
In the first place, for the most part I’m not discussing assault cases. I’m discussing general social sexual morality. I’m aware that most people here don’t think that such a thing exists, but that’s the way it is. Some people still believe in it, and they aren’t all fundamentalist women-haters.
In the very specific case of assault, you want me to say that no woman is ever responsible in even the slightest part for any assault, and I don’t think that’s defensible. Even if 100% of the blame is on the assailant, that doesn’t preclude you from being careful when you walk around in some parts of big cities. But assault isn’t really the issue. It’s the effect that dress has on our social issue. I claim no legal authority to tell anyone how to dress. But how you dress affects how people view you. Try showing up to court or your wedding in inappropriate attire and see how that goes.
and men could like I stated earlier just think ‘well hello that’s nice to see’ and get on with life. works for me. and as a reasonably hetero male i am all for some showing a bit of legs.
look just cause someone is dressed in a ‘slutty’ (wtf is slutty dress anyway? i mean a latex catsuit sure covers up everything, but oh man that will make me take a look where short shorts and tube top is a total meh for me). yes there are guys who are apt to assault women, but you know what, they tend to not give a damn about the clothing they are just looking for a victim period.
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Grow up, manchild.
That you “think less” of women who wear attractive clothing while at the same time gawking, salivating, and looking down upon is a sign that you have a lot of maturing to do at some point in life.
You are the problem.
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It’s a denial of humanity to ignore another’s consent.
Dude, your boner is talking.
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Right! If you appreciate it, why knock the woman and imply not so passively that she’d deserve assault? It goes well beyond double-standards to something pathologically wrong with a person. People can enjoy having sex with a woman without loving women, I guess.
Seriously, what an oily creep.
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You’re reminding me of the day I got called out for two different rape victims: the 10-year-old who had gone to the corner store to pick up something for her mother, and the 67-year-old who got dragged off the street into a building.
I’m sure it was the amount of flesh they were showing.
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You win one internetz. Please collect your prize at the concessions counter.
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Modest. What level of modestly? Show-no-ankle modesty? Wear no bright colors modesty? Or never leave the house and don’t learn maths modesty?
What makes you so certain you have the moral authority to tell everybody else what is modest, modestly?
#Bad Parenting?
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That’s, uh, a straight line.
Or are you postulating that we live in an a-logical, non-Euclidean universe?
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Sometimes douchebags emerge independent of good parenting, all we can tell here for sure is how damaged and broken he ended up, perhaps of entirely his own doing.
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