If only Joe would take his religious practice seriously, like Donald Trump.
Quick, get the teargas. We’ll clear out the yard of that church over there and take a picture with the Bible. That’ll bring in the flock.
Trump’s long been a proponent of “an eye for an eye” (while completely missing the point this was meant to be a warning and a goal). I think it’s long past time for him to finally see what it feels like.
I’d love to see a Biden DOJ grind him into dust - none of this Fordian “the nation needs to heal” bullshit. In the grand scheme of things, Nixon’s crimes were pretty inconsequential. Trump’s crimes have and will damage the entire world for generations to come and I want some goddamn justice (and a little revenge will feel nice as well).
I don’t disagree that Trump’s legacy needs to be destroyed, and a big part of that is the man himself and his support. But, it’s got to be done carefully with no new powers. A successful prosecution of an outgoing president will be a feat that the Republican party attempts to replicate.
Perhaps the better option would be to let the state level investigations run their course.
Trump should face legal consequences for any crimes he committed in a fair and impartial process. Not above the law - not below the law.
I have confidence that this scares him more than just about anything. Though perhaps him facing criminal charges under a judge with Mexican heritage would be delicious.
Attempt? Are you kidding? Trump’s DOJ and the Republican-controlled Senate have wasted huge amounts of time and taxpayer resources with near-constant investigations against Obama, Clinton, and the Bidens over the past nearly 4 years trying desperately to cook up any kind of criminal charges they can muster.
This would just be continuing that precedent, but unlike the continued findings of no criminality from all these Republican-led sham investigations, there’s plenty of charge Trump and his cronies as they have even been trying to hide their many crimes. It’s as if they say the quiet part out loud and just blatantly break the law it somehow immunizes them from prosecution.
It needs to be done carefully, but it needs to be done.
All the things that Trump has weakened or destroyed need to be reinforced and reestablished in a way lasting beyond just a Biden presidency, or the next bastard (possibly a smart one) will sweep it all away again.
- You don’t ignore accepted practice and tradition because it’s not a rule.
- You don’t ignore rules because they’re not laws.
- You don’t ignore laws because they won’t be prosecuted.
- You don’t not prosecute because there won’t be a real trial.
And that there’s a big hammer waiting for the people that do.
And a hard upper limit to retribution: Once a penalty of “life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth” has been exacted, the matter is settled. Done. Finished. Over with. Revenge beyond lex talionis is a new crime.
And a Christian would rebut with the appearance of “eye for eye” in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:38-39).
You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Trump’s “eye for eye” owes more to Hammurabi than it does to Moses.
I’m still of two minds. If he is prosecuted, this will be the green light for the next authoritarian administration - don’t think there cannot be another! - to prosecute and imprison all their political opponents. I think the only way it could work would be to let tort law have its way. A private party brings a grievance for official misconduct, and the matter is handled either in civil court, or referred to prosecution by a court-appointed special master. Let the executive branch stand aside from it.
By the same token, Trump ought not to be offered a blanket pardon - so if that’s what you saw as ‘bullshit’ from Ford. It may or may not have been a good idea at the time (which I’m old enough to remember). Considering how badly Griffin Bell handled the prosecution of Patrick Gray and Mark Felt (later revealed as ‘Deep Throat’), I don’t even want to imagine how a prosecution of Nixon would have gone in that time. (And there’s absolutely no way that a case could have been ready for a fair trial before Carter appointed Bell.)
The whole circus would have been yet another distraction in Carter’s ineffectual presidency. (He was smart, and well-meaning, and suffered from ‘analysis paralysis’, as many engineers do. Too afraid to act on incomplete information, even in situations where complete information will not be obtainable until the time to act has passed. He’s done much better in the time since he left office than he ever did as President.)
Can we at least agree that job #1 is to get him out of office, using whichever of the four boxes (soap, ballot, jury, ammo) is necessary?
So would the actual fucking Pope, probably
Waiting to ambush him until he’s in a Catholic church.
Remind anyone of Thomas Becket?
A lot of far-right American Catholics believe Francis to be an antipope, because of course the true Pope cannot resign the office. (And his liberal bent proves that he can’t be a real Pope, because no true Scotsman, uh, Pope …)
But not much of a surprise. Of course he would.
in my town (around 28,000 population in north central texas) we had one early voting site for the entire county. a group of trumpists with a giant sign, guns, and bullhorns set up at the edge of the campaigning limits and screamed shit at people as they went in. after a week the county sheriff (a republican but apparently responsive to complaints) finally told them to get out. then we had three days of cold rains–good timing, that–and they didn’t try to come back.
eta–our county sheriff is running unopposed this year just as he did 4 years ago. last election he ended up with around 4000 fewer votes than were cast for trump and about 6000 votes fewer than were cast in total. when 6000 voters won’t check your box for your unopposed race, it’s not saying good things about you.
We are already there - it’s not for lack of effort that Obama or Clinton aren’t behind bars right now.
Well, thank goodness for that even though it has another chance in the Fifth Circuit which is also heavily R. But if Texas’ Supreme Court threw it out and SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly in recent weeks that states’ rights take precedent for election administration, hopefully it will get rejected there too. But who knows at this point. Nothing makes sense anymore.
Law and order
Trying to intimidate voters.
It doesn’t work so well when so many have already voted - and you’re pissing them off when they just want to get home. That would get me to the polls.
I love her so much.
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