Don’t get me started on TMP. I mean, I love the movie, and that ridiculously long fly-by scene of the 1701 refit with the wonderful soundtrack, but there’s no way that’s still the same ship as the TOS one. However, still my favorite design they ever did, next to the Excelsior.
Interesting that in the Kelvinverse, they went all-white as well (the Apple store Enterprise).
Thanks. Was just editing my post, but you were too fast. 
“Klingon Australia” made me laugh the deep laugh of a warrior
Are they though? I was given to understand that this would be set in the “original” timeline (put in quotes because there’s no such thing when you allow time travel).
True. Though just to play devil’s advocate, organizations structured around military style traditions tend to be more conservative in their fashion changes. Admittedly, ten years is a bit short to go from this to miniskirts and shirtless captains. But I’m with you, set designs change. That’s not going to be the metric I judge a show by.
Nemesis for me is like the Star Wars prequels. I prefer to leave it out of my private canon. But to each their own.
According to Spock it was made largely of a fantasy material called tritanium, some 20 times harder than diamond (which utterly defies the laws of molecular bonds, but Treknology is mostly science-y sounding magic, which I’m fine with). As a wise song once advised, Repeat to yourself, 'It’s just a show, I should really just relax.
Yes. That’s why I was never concerned about all those design changes. Those shows aren’t historical documents, they are freestyle re-enactments of a made-up history. Unless there are major discrepancies like Vulcans having wings (“We always had them, but it was a taboo subject.") or lost technology (Like transporters suddenly becoming too expensive to use in a chronologically later series or warp requiring a hour-long preparation) I don’t really care.
Ugh, I hate that movie (I didn’t mind V all that much). And to kill off a character in such a garbage pile was just mean.
As for canon, I personally ignore the TNG episodes with the common origin of all humanoids and the one with the warp speed limits. Which the writers afterwards did anyway, so I feel vindicated.
Well, its kind of a ship of Theseus. Pull this part, put a new one on, then another, until they are all replaced. It’s the only Enterprise to me (until the E). Other than screwing up the thickness of the main decks in the primary hull, I think it came out fine. It doesn’t really look plastic, or white, to me. But then I’ve spent way too much time studying it.
I never got a plastic vibe anyway, not that it would be bad thing. I always thoughts of some kind of ceramics. All of our current spacecraft are also white, so it makes sense.
But I love that in Discovery, they seem to go kinda bronze-ish. Why not shake things up for a change. They can always come up with treknobabble excuse anyway.
As if the viewers care what numbers the actors are shouting to each other on the bridge, or even notice how many hours or days are supposedly passing between the scene on Planet A and the scene on Planet B …
I can imagine the characters scolding me: “It’s just paint! It’s so we can see it in the dark!”
For me, it’s just an example of a core problem of the episodic production model back then: that a writer for a rather mediocre episode can change the laws of the entire universe just like that. But yeah, warp speed never made much sense anyway, I just want them to go to some planet to have an adventure. (What happened to transwarp, anyway?)
Now that made me laugh 
Maybe it’s just to keep you wanting more. Like the pixellation in Japanese porn.
What’s the “Kelvinverse”?
There’s an ongoing series of novels detailing the post-Nemesis Star Trek universe, and they’re very good by tie-in standards, the DS9 stuff especially so.
The JJ Abrams movies. CBS finally wanted some clear naming rules, so now it’s called the Kelvin timeline because the Kelvin incident in the first JJ movie was the point where the timelines split for good. The “old” universe is now the Prime timeline. Discovery will take place in the Prime timeline.
Why? I thought it was a halfway decent in-story explanation why so many species are genetically compatible with humans.
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IIRC, Scotty removed its balls.
Speaking of which, Threshold might not be the absolute worst episode of Voyager, but boy was it up there.
One thing I did like about the Kelvinverse was the use of transwarp to mean beaming in and out of a ship at warp. That just seems like a better use of language to me.
I know that it resolves the issue why every humanoid species can apparently interbreed with viable offspring (which makes them the same species by any definition), but I hate that “some species that we never heard of before, and never will hear from again, seeded all life” was established in some random episode and which will never be mentioned again. The concept is fine, but it’s just too much of a change for a one-off.
Again to play devil’s advocate, writer Ronald D. Moore has said that the ancient humanoids in the TNG episode The Chase could be the Preservers from the TOS episode The Paradise Syndrome. That’s actually why I kind of liked that episode. For all it’s problems, it has some fun with the classic McGuffin turning out to be disappointing to most of the characters searching for it, and it kind of bridges TOS and TNG, something that I put together even before I knew Moore intended it that way. You can also see some of Moore’s storytelling style that he deployed in more polished form for Battlestar Galactica with the search for disappointing mythical McGuffins.
I don’t know… In the Alpha Quadrant, at least, there are very few instances of ships going above warp 5 after that point. And there’s a Voyager episode that refers back to the damage caused by warp drive.
