Reminds me of an Irish/Scottish joke invovled a bricklayer whose accomplishments in life are for not, thanks to one vulgar event.
I’m going to have to hear that joke…
I’d actually say his calling a female student a puck slut was less forgivable.
@GulliverFoyle: sorry, no. Displaying genitals is worse than name calling. Always.
A backpacker is traveling through Ireland when it starts to rain. He decides to wait out the storm in a nearby pub. The only other person at the bar is an older man staring at his drink. After a few moments of silence the man turns to the backpacker and says in a thick Irish accent:
“You see this bar? I built this bar with my own bare hands. I cut down every tree and made the lumber myself. I toiled away through the wind and cold, but do they call me McGreggor the bar builder? No.”
He continued “Do you see that stone wall out there? I built that wall with my own bare hands. I found every stone and placed them just right through the rain and the mud, but do they call me McGreggor the wall builder? No.”
“Do ya see that pier out there on the lake? I built that pier with my own bare hands, driving each piling deep into ground so that it would last a lifetime. Do they call me McGreggor the pier builder? No.”
“But ya fuck one goat…”
I like that joke, because of course, it’s much more than a joke - it’s a parable with a punch line.
I’ve hiked some 400+ miles of the Appalachian Trail (all on weekends). What you described does not happen. If multiple people are peeing at the same time in the same vicinity, they’ll face different directions and what not. Nobody wants a full-on view of someone else urinating. Ok, most people don’t at least. Things have changed a bit over he last 30+ years. New gyms and YMCAs all offer more privacy than they used to – only older gyms have open showers, for the most part. Swim class, before my time, for boys as least was in the buff entirely (unclear why). So in the past I guess you’d be more likely to catch glimpses of your friends naked but nowadays not so much.
Oh, God and Aunt Agnes. You really are a coward. OK, you want serious, you got it.
I was sexually molested, on a regular basis, from ten till sixteen. I met a lot of pervs, because it seemed like a good gig at the time, and because stepdaddy introduced me to a lot of his friends.
Make of that what you will.
This has made me both more sympathetic and a little hard-boiled on certain matters. What I’m about to say is going to sound like Melania struggling over the phrases ‘locker-room talk’ and ‘he was egg(ed) on’, but bear with me.
A guy who shows his dick on a hot dog bun is a tasteless fool, sort of like the guys who have it in a gift box. That he’s doing it to a lot of younger guys doesn’t quite get through to him as a form of ‘raping’ them, as a matter of fact, in a weird way it shows how far he is to being gay at all. Don’t ask me what the reasoning is, but it just works that way with some guys. He’s probably got a wife, kids, the whole nine yards, and is in some place so flyover that he figures all this talk about a few blue words = forcible anal rape is a lot of hoo-ha. I’m not seeking to excuse him, as much as say that this is no more scandalous than a donkey’s shadow when’s all said and done.
Normal behavior? Ever see a fraternity at Halloween?
Thats it!
Huh?
Where did I say that it did? I said it wasn’t as bad as if he had, although I implied that that might be something he would be into.
Although I don’t know he’s a pedophile, I consider him to be more likely to be a pedophile than Joe Average whom I don’t know from Adam.
If you’re really not gay, you don’t have to prove that you’re not gay. If you have to prove it, you’re at least a little gay, and you haven’t come to terms with it.
Again, who’s saying that?
It’s not my scene, but yes I have. There were few if any underage kids there, and there was nobody there 1) specifically as an authority figure 2) exposing themselves when 3) nobody else was exposing themselves.
I don’t know why you’re so keen on defending this guy. He 1) exposed himself to kids who were 2) under his supervision and should get fired. You break the rules, you deal with the consequences. It’s how civilized society works. He also broke the law, and although I don’t think his life should be destroyed over this incident alone, he should receive some sort of punishment.
…does he also coach one of the teams? When I was in high school I found a high correlation between volunteering as a coach and a high degree of “spirit” among the teachers.
No, not a coach. He probably would if he excelled at a sport or two though.
Implied? You out and out accused him!
If you’re really not gay, you don’t have to prove that you’re not gay. If you have to prove it, you’re at least a little gay, and you haven’t come to terms with it.
Not always. Whole cultures have been founded on the statement “At least I’m not a girly man.”
So, this is civilization? Perhaps Socrates would have a word with you…I agree.
Fired, yes, perhaps, kept on a tighter leash if retained, but not national headlines. In a word, this is a culture clash. Fifty years ago, it would have been a tale even most parents would laugh at.
I hope this clears things up.
teleny23:
edit : not parsing that right nevermind.
edit again after reading the “explaining” for the perp in earlier comments…
so really you are gonna go with ‘boys will be boys’ here?
and the fact that it would have been laughed at 50 years ago IS NOT A GOOD THING.
this asshole WHO WAS IN A POSITION OF POWER over boys thought exposing his bits to people he had power over was a good idea… well it wasn’t. it was wrong then even if the society then would have ‘laughed it off’
I respect your experience and point of view.
But I can’t help but feel that holding teachers to the same standards and professionalism that virtually any other job is held to is a good thing.
Especially if the coach was black. Then they could have lynched him. Oh, what a chuckle! Simpler times, simpler times.
ETA: /s
Lots of people.
They could have even had picnics at the lynching, and then bought commemorative postcards afterward! Such simpler times. Make America Great Again.
CEO of Oscar Mayer placed own penis in hot dog bun during school field trip.
Boys will be boys…
Well, I’m glad that at least one person noticed that. Kind of a shame that nearly everyone else seems to think that a teacher calling kids sluts doesn’t even register compared to the crime of openly having a penis.
I mean, yeah, I don’t think teachers should make broad jokes about religion or politics, or get students to pull their finger, or display their dick in a hot dog bun. But get a grip. Nearly half of all people have penises; that doesn’t in itself constitute sexual assault.
No, and I doubt it was sexual in nature. If a boy on the team did it in front of his team-mates, it would be an immature and unfunny attempt at humor. The coach doing it could have been sexual, but I suspect more likely was an incredibly stupid and probably beer-fueled attempt to “be one of the guys”. Which is still inexcusably bad judgement, but not on a level with calling a female student a puck slut, which unquestionably was sexual harassment.
We’ll agree to disagree on exactly why the creep should be fired.
I do think the language is offensive and inappropriate, and a fireable offense in its own right. But I think the idea of a man whipping out his penis as just being part of the “guy thing” minimizes the nature of that offense.
Fair enough.
