One of the signs at our rally today said “As a feminist, I support the following women TOO” and listed Melania, Pence’s wife, and I forget who the third wife was.
There were a lot of signs like that, actually: showing humanity and decency and reminding everyone that feminism is about equal rights for ALL.
Fuck that. They didn’t like Obama because he’s black. We don’t like Trump because he’s a fucking moron who actually bankrupted a casino. You could fit the Grand Canyon inside that difference.
No, sorry, I’m not going to abandon a party because their current leadership are doofuses just to join a party whose current leader is an ignorant doofus, especially one who hangs out with Putin and whose most outspoken defender is the albino rapist Julian Assange.
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It’s also funny how people’s opinions of Assange tend to depend on whether he’s attacking their team or the other team.
[/quote]This is a nonsense talking point.
I think in the case of Assange it’s more people updating opinions as new information becomes available. Sometimes people learn - this is a good thing. My opinion of Assange was always low (the rape charges and his confabulations to dismiss them were always a serious issue and he was always a narcissistic asshole) though I used to think more of Wikileaks. Now that it’s clear Wikileaks is used as a front for intelligence agencies to peddle documents to manipulate public opinion and when editorializing Wikileaks lies flagrantly, that respect is gone. Were they peddling docs from the FSB to back Clinton they’d still be just as compromised a source. We know they’re a front for the FSB, so they could just as easily be used by the CIA, MI5, or whoever. You’d have to be a fool to trust them now.
There are better options than Keith Ellison…which is a good thing, because I could never vote for him. Even if he is now being honest in his repudiation of his former self, “probably no longer an antisemitic nincompoop” is not an especially strong point in his favor. Democrats really have to stop our fascination with candidates who are so easy to portray as deeply flawed, who start on the defensive from day 1.
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just to join a party whose current leader is an ignorant doofus, especially one who hangs out with Putin and whose most outspoken defender is the albino rapist Julian Assange.[/quote]
I said third party, right? That is still an option.[/quote]
You understand that I’m talking about Jill Stein, yes?
But when he was attacking the neocons a couple years back, didn’t it occur to you that this guy just might be amoral, and he’s on the same side as you by random chance? I was told Wikileaks was this great resource, sunlight is the best disinfectant, etc, and I was somewhat in agreement, but the rest of me was waiting for the other shoe to drop. It just dropped, and there just may be a third shoe and a fourth shoe to drop. There is no ideology, just chaos.
Somehow I don’t think the neoliberals would be against Assange if he weren’t attacking their guys. They weren’t earlier. I don’t think we’ve learned anything that we couldn’t have easily inferred before.
Neoliberals were typically always against Wikileaks because actual neoliberals support violent interventions on foreign soil.
Wikileaks is not just chaos, and has a very strong ideology that it editorializes at every opportunity. Even their release schedule is designed for an ideology and not as an agent of chaos which implies acting without intent.
Both Assange and Wikileaks recently decided to start pushing conspiracy theories on public forums and in interviews, and have been embraced by and embraces the alt-right at least since the primaries this year. That’s how within days of each other Assange tells the world that Hillary probably killed the DNC leak source and the Wikileaks twitter account makes an antisemitic tweet after accusations of Russia just barely surfaced.
If the opposite happened and Trump was railroaded by Wikileaks showing a personal connection between him and Russia and whatever else and Hillary sailed to victory (and they behaved the same), I would still be critical of Wikileaks for abandoning their mission and being a mouthpiece for Assange’s personal politics.