GOP leader McCarthy cuts deal with Dems to avert government shutdown; Gaetz vows to oust him

It’s funny cause it’s true…

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That’s what I can see happening, they decide that the devil they know is worse than whatever Freedom Caucus asshole they might (will) get saddled with. There’s no way a “moderate” member of the GOP Conference will be able to get to 112 (half of the GOP Conference) to then get to the floor for a vote. It’ll be someone like Andy Biggs, or Mary Miller, and God help us then.

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“A smart guy without morals.”

Are they sure about that first part?

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… Democrats have the same power to “move to vacate the chair” any time that Gaetz does :thinking:

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The American governmental system is crazy. In proper democracies we elect people to lead, then we let them lead.
You guys need to tear the whole thing down a start again.

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yes. no other democracies have problems governing. america is literally the only one.

democracy is messy by definition, but it beats the alternatives

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that is what the fascist party (formerly known as republican) is trying to do with these shenanigans.
the sane, democracy-loving ones would stay with the constitutional institutions to make rule-of-law governance possible.
this should include using the constitution, specifically the 14th ammendment, to dispose of the insurrectionist elements in the house and senate.

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It’s distressing to see how many other western countries are now following the same path, it remains to be seen if the craziness can be brought under control before the whole house burns down.

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This is like when in other countries they elect three or more parties to parliament and they can’t form a coalition because they all hate each other

This is the same thing, this is what it looks like

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Pretty much spot on. Because we have a “two party system” the coalitional politics have to happen within the two major parties, not at the level of forming government.

The Dems have what feels like 6-8 sub parties fighting it out, but that means that all the groups on some level know they’ll have to give to get. The reapers have at most 3, and a splinter knows their aims can be achieved via sabotage.

Caveat: IANAPSP (I am not a political science professor) so, you know, healthy grain of salt

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The Democrats agreed to lose that short-term financing because the gap is only 45 days, and they already know that both McCarthy and the Senate are behind Ukraine. Everyone is hoping for enough wavering support for the wingnuts to let them leverage it back in.

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At least in many modern democracies the composition of the legislature is a more reasonable approximation of the actual distribution of opinions in the electorate, because a significant number of seats are allotted based on the relative shares of parties in the popular vote, rather than individual “first-past-the-post” races. This means that parties don’t tend to get a comfortable absolute majority in the legislature based on something like 35% of the popular vote, and that there is less of an advantage to be had from the type of crazy gerrymandering that happens in the USA.

Also in many modern democracies the legislature has the opportunity to get rid of the sitting government by means of a constructive vote of no confidence, which is a fairly simple mechanism. There’s none of this silly “impeachment” stuff where, having jumped through all sorts of flaming hoops, you can in theory oust the president but all that means is that the vice president will become president. Since the head of government is elected by the legislature (rather than all of the electorate) in the first place, this avoids situations where everything gets stuck because the government has no actual working majority in the legislature.

(Americans may argue that it is better if the head of government is elected by “the people”, but that is not what actually happens in the US, where who gets to be the head of government is effectively decided by comparatively few people in a small number of “swing states”, and candidates for head of government don’t even bother to campaign in many states whose contribution to the election is a foregone conclusion.)

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this doesn’t have anything to do with the president

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Plus they can theoretically put forward a standalone spending bill for Ukraine at any time now that they have a little breathing room.

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I can’t think of a single other democracy where the majority party (the one the voters elected to lead) has to give the minority party what it wants or face shutting down.
That is absolutely an American issue.

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In parallel with the government-shutdown silliness, the GOP in the House is currently holding a huge, expensive, and completely pointless dog-and-pony show trying to “impeach” the incumbent president. This is strictly a PR exercise that wastes everyone’s time and accomplishes exactly nothing except trying to make some extremists happy.

In a modern democracy, if the opposition had a majority for a constructive vote of confidence they would simply vote out the incumbent government and vote in a new one, and if they didn’t have a majority they would grind their teeth and put up with the existing one.

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… are you talking to me? I don’t understand

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Thanks. Excellent comment.

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No it’s not. I can tell because I live in one of those countries, and our public servants never get sent home without pay.
You should demand better, your country is broken.

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The House republicans threatening to shut down the government are the majority currently

Many of us do. Every day.
But thanks for the support

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