Grand jury in Fulton County, Georgia, charges Trump and 18 others over election interference

I think I saw somewhere in the bbs that English needs a verb for this thing everyone does (me included):

  • watch news about something I know about
  • shake my head at how wrong they got their meaningless crap
  • continue watching
  • watch news about something I know very little about
  • be amazed that such astonishing things are happening, and feel confident that this is probably mostly true
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It seems that a former president can decline protection, but if they don’t, they have to get it. (I know there were new rules added under Obama, so there’s probably a spaghetti of relevant legislation.)

The whole property would be his “prison.” But really, “home confinement” would be the worst option - being stuck at Mar-a-Lago wouldn’t even cramp his style. He’d still spend all day golfing and still could hold his own mini-rallies without leaving the property. It’d be a joke.

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Depending on the rules of home confinement, it could actually be the best option, or at least the most fun option.

Are they allowed guests or staff? Imagine no income from club memberships, no cleaning.

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This is exactly what the talking point and misdirection is trying to accomplish. They want you debating, discussing, and thinking about the logistics of how this would work. What things would be allowed or not, how they would be implemented. They’ve successfully moved the thoughts to mostly useless topics.

You’re no longer thinking about what crimes were committed.

That description of “home confinement” is full of assumptions about what it means and how it would work. The more time spent talking about those assumptions, the less time is spent talking about the actual crimes.

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Is he one of the defendants being charged with threatening the poll workers? If so and they file a civil suit against him and win, could the pension be garnished to pay that before a dime reaches Trump (due to his long history of failing to pay his bills)?

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I don’t get it. Who is they? And who is spending all their time thinking about the crimes he committed that needs to be misdirected?

The logistics of how his incarceration would work is interesting and can easily lead back to conversations about his crimes from people who tuned out because they have other things to think about.

Like the home confinement option doesn’t seem super acceptable given the man tried to launch a coup d’état. We only do home confinement for low level crimes and what Trump did was far, far more serious.

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They aren’t a Paretorian Guard, under a blood oath and obligated to defend him from everything without regard for the law or consequences. The Secret Service can be told to stand down. That’s a matter of course.

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It seems to me that he could also be stripped of Secret Service protection by the fed gov, if convicted.

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I would imagine so.

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Festungshaft didn’t work out so well last time. The guy just used it to write his manifesto.

That said, if you do want to imprison him in a fortress, I recommend Fort Jefferson on the Dry Tortugas. Surrounded by water, yet not a drop to drink.

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Probably not a concern here given Trump is functionally illiterate.

Imprisonment in fortresses seems to have more precedent. Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte was sentenced to the Château de Ham for his second attempted coup but… then escaped, became President, launched another coup then became Emperor… so maybe the British had it right with the whole Guy Fawkes affair.

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The problem isn’t him escaping, though (except maybe him absconding before his trials). And in reality, putting him in prison isn’t a real problem either. Someone will figure something out.

The REAL problem is what we do with his MAGA cult followers. We really should keep our eyes on the prize here, rather than getting distracted by nothing-burgers.

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I was really more focussing on the Dry Tortugas not having a fresh water source rather than escape, but yeah, this is all secondary to the actual trial and the crimes it is about.

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Oh, hell no! Fort Jefferson is an amazing and wonderful place. It should never be polluted by his presence!

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… bulldoze all the existing buildings at Mar-a-Lago, put up a few Quonset huts for the guards, chain Trump to a concrete pillar in one of them :thinking:

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0e3

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Ha! You think pillars can stop the great Trump? No chance.

Ben Garrison is an idiot.

Wait, how did that story end again? :thinking:

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I’m picturing the story of Sampson, but Delilah tried to stay as far away as possible and a stiff breeze could make him bald…

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um, this is not actually a courtroom where his fate is decided, or even an election we get to vote in

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Hopefully it’s not just the Georgia 19 that are sweating.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/feature/mark-meadows-exchanged-texts-with-34-members-of-congress-about-plans-to-overturn-the-2020-election

Mark Meadows Exchanged Texts With 34 Members Of Congress About Plans To Overturn The 2020 Election

The Messages Included Battle Cries, Crackpot Legal Theories, And ‘Invoking Marshall Law!!’

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