[quote=“Israel_B, post:96, topic:75257, full:true”]Did someone put a hot wire to your head because of the things you did and said?
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Do EEGs count? 
It is indeed a stompin’ bit of music. Many fun nights thrashing on the dancefloors at Sanctuary and Nocturne.
From your posting history I know that already. And therefore our positions are irreconcilable. I was referring to your description of the Noah story as being “Jewish” and not “Christian”. I think that is actually cultural appropriation of a legend which was already old when it was first written down in Hebrew, but of course that’s blasphemy to an Orthodox, whereas to a Reform rabbi it’s just part of history of religion.
How can you thrash to such a low BPM track?
Rise to me was always more chill out or driving music. Album overall feels more Bill Laswell than John Lydon.
If you have Noah, his wife, his suns, and his wives, you will need to have cousins marry in the next generation. Some cultures call that incest, others don’t. It’s not more incestuous than the avarage European ruling dynasty, but it’s still a bit incestuous.
Right. Genocide is the act (or attempt) of destroying an ethnic or religious […] group, usually by means of murdering its members. This does not apply here, because according to the story God did not intend to destroy humanity as a group, nor did he specifically target any other groups.
The word “genocide” is also commonly and incorrectly applied to all kinds of large-scale mass murder.
So… would you be happier with: “Noah’s Ark: A story of mass murder and cousins marrying”?
Much more nuanced. Those fanatics should really have gotten their facts straight first. That way they’ll offend far fewer people. Just compare:
“genocide and incest” - WRONG and offensive.
“mass murder and cousins fucking” - factually correct and totally inoffen… oh.
But now that I think of it, in an age where people still sometimes lived to see 600, I also assume that women could have children up to a higher age. So maybe if Noah’s grandsons could have impregnated their (genetically unrelated) aunts instead. So no incest at all.
And, in some jurisdictions, when you kill somebody in a fit of righteous anger because you’ve been provoked, it’s voluntary manslaughter, not murder. So…
A story of mass voluntary manslaughter and people becoming the second husbands of their uncle’s wives.
Now it’s mostly inoffensive and fits the story.
Actually, I don’t need to. The “purpose” of anger is first and foremost relevant for the evolutionary explanation of why we feel angry, not a reason/justification/moral injunction about when to feel angry.
You or I might still try to channel or anger in productive ways, or to try to suppress an emotion when we think it does more harm than good.
Leave the poor guy out of it. Pope Benedict XVI retired in 2013, and anyway the Catholic church hasn’t been preaching the literal truth of Genesis for quite a while now.
Noach is a key figure in the Torah, much is written of him in Gemara as well. The Christians may well have included our source text into theirs since a complete fork wouldn’t have worked out but overall ha mabul is a Jewish narrative. Whether or not other cultures had a flood story doesn’t change that.
Not blasphemy, thats a very technical term. What you said there and many other positions are simply “mistaken” from the Orthodox perspective. This doesn’t make Reform Jews bad or blasphemers either.
There was a fair bit of stomping and swaying amongst the thrashing; goth clubs.
But with enough amphetamine in your system you can thrash about to nearly anything; the key is to dance to the beat of all the instruments, not just the bass or drums. 
That context was all I needed!
Though PiL in a goth club still seems out of place…
Goth = punk + glam.
Plus there was the industrial/early-EDM crossover factor. In amongst the Bauhaus, Cure and Sisters of Mercy was always plenty of Ministry, KMFDM, New Order, Joy Division, PWEI, etc.
I still find it weird to retcon Ministry, KMFDM, etc. as “industrial” because back then that word was used for Psychic TV, Coil, Swans, Einstürzende Neubauten type stuff. Maybe Skinny Puppy as well but they were a bit too disco/club music like Ministry & KMFDM to be actually industrial. Heck, even early Beatnigs & Meat Beat Manifesto were more deserving of the word industrial than Ministry. I doubt Al Jourgenson ever tortured a percussive piece of sheet metal or held a power tool in his life 
Every band you just mentioned was also on the playlist.
I was trying to keep the earlier examples to the more generally-known stuff.
Ministry was certainly considered as “industrial” in early-90’s Sydney. Which makes their early album of New Romantic Synthpop (“With Sympathy”) all the more amusing…
At the time in Austin TX we knew them for With Sympathy had heard about the incident with Al “liberating” some of Adrian Sherwood’s tracks and didn’t really take the following albums seriously.
They didn’t come to attention here until Twitch, then took off with The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste.
Both damnfine albums, industrial or not.
To me it was a kind of metal disco, definitely not industrial for reasons already mentioned.
I’ve always been amused by peoples’ assumptions about Missouri Synod. I think local factors matter more than the overall synod- my (former) Missouri Synod church was next to a college campus and, likely a result of having quite a few faculty as members and having to cater to students, was relatively sane.
IKR!? The only thing cuter than animals is drowning animals trying to stay above water by clawing their way onto the floating corpses of babies and animals. Praise the load? Can get a hymen?
It’s good to know that you believe the people of Kentucky aren’t bright enough to know how to write to lawmakers or put petitions together. I’m not here to outline a legislative process, I’m just suggesting that the people of that state – who generally tolerate Ken Ham’s looniness but don’t like the development he’s building – could take it into their hands to fix the law that’s screwing them. To change minds, what we need is education, not screaming.
What the Freethinkers are trying to do is out-insult Ken Ham, who put these billboards all over the northern Kentucky area:
To counter that, instead of Art Bell-level conspiracy-theory clip-art nuttiness, I’d suggest ads in local papers as well as some billboards that simply say something like “Why are your tax dollars building a fake Ark? Learn the facts. Stop giving Ken Ham your money.” And give them a website where they can click to write their local legislature or start petitions. When you don’t insult people’s intelligence and give them the tools to learn what’s going on and how to stop it if they don’t like it, it helps earn their respect.
I think that’s what happened to the dinosaurs actually. Noah had some hard hard choices to make and he had a furry bias, and that’s why we have lions and tigers and bears oh my and not RAWR Dinosaurs.
Except the ones that were put aside and bred to ensure Jesus had a badass mount
Because all the taxpayers within this tax abatement area who are not Ken Ham will have to pay more taxes than Ken Ham to make up for the abatement Ken Ham is getting on Ken Ham’s latest vanity project.
Is it now more transparent to you why people might be upset? I don’t believe the particular religion, or lack thereof, of any person upset by this situation even figures into the calculation.
[quote=“Dictionary”]genocide |ˈjenəˌsīd|
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.[/quote]
The intentional killing of every man, woman, child, baby and animal on earth (but for breeding pairs on a boat) utterly qualifies as genocide, more so than any human mass murders do. I’d say trying to deny that obvious fact is “not very productive.” And this is just the kind of cognitively dissonant denial the billboard very productively highlights and brings to the conversation.
There is no conspiracy theory in pointing out the uncomfortable aspects of the biblical flood myth. Your straw arguments are starting to get repetitious.
Also, you are making a false dichotomy. These billboards aren’t either or. Your suggestion to advocate based on tax aspects, without any hook, is not mutually exclusive with other efforts.
