While omitting the tiny little details that
- His own executive order bans those very Christians from seeking refugee status in the U.S.
- Muslims have been executed in those countries as well, often in greater numbers
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Ostie de Tabarnac !!
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The enormous problem is that there are large swaths of the USAian population to which this sort of unamerican and unconstitutional act just seems right.
“Well, you know he’s just keeping out the terrorists, and if some other people get caught in that net, well it’s not like they’re real Americans anyway…”
('coz you know they’re darker than my ancestors who fled to this country for often similar reasons, and their prophet of the abrahamic god isn’t the same one as mine, and they eat weird food, and they’re kinda scary to be honest)…
This is complete BS, and I think that everyone who voted this asshat into office should be forced to serve community service (for their crimes against humanity) with a Muslim group.
I mean, ooh! Scary! I have muslim neighbors. Had a super scary run in with them yesterday! We ran into each other at the local kids’ activity place (kind of an indoor mega-playground with all sorts of crazy equipment). I was trying to de-spaz my 6 year old, and his family was there with their toddler daughter for a birthday party. How absolutely terrifying (and un-american!). They just need to learn how to behave like proper Americans! #absofuckinglutesarcasm.
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- Why? Where was the old system failing?[/quote]
It wasn’t.
It’s only mysterious if you think the intent was to “secure America”.
Once you recognise that the intent was to fuck over brown people for the amusement of bigots, it’s easily understandable.
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If you really want to know, I have a guess as to what Trump thinks he knows (what I suspect Bannon is feeding him).
To a very limited extent I follow a few seemingly staunch conservatives in the interest of bubble avoidance. And among those I follow there’s a sense that, between refugees and other forms of immigration, Europe is being overrun with Muslim folks, flouting local laws and destroying the cultures of the regions they reside in. That these are people who refuse to assimilate and have no higher wish than to drag down civilization to the barbarities of centuries past.
The media clearly had some shenanigans during the election, but for those I’d followed, distrust of the mainstream media (particularly, but by no means limited to, CNN) goes way deeper. There’s a general feeling that major aspects of the situation in Europe are being routinely downplayed by the mainstream/lamestream/liberal media.
Highlights, I can recall include:
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“No Go zones” exist in Britain and France. Regions where, variously: It is unsafe for non-Muslims to set foot, or police dare not go, or Sharia law is being enforced over local and national codes. I’d read no articles on this, but the idea gets bandied about as a real hazard on occasion.
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Immigrant crimes in Germany reportedly on the increase recently.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V -
This article seems to aggregate (maybe equivocate) a few things I’d heard separately (the 1000 men, fireworks attacks and church fire):
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2523332/migrants-sexually-assault-14-women-and-1000-strong-gang-throw-fireworks-at-police-as-chaos-hits-nye-events-across-germany-despite-heightened-security/
The couple times I’ve actually tried to look more deeply into these things, raised doubts in my mind either regarding the article’s clarity and source material, or regarding the conclusion being drawn by the person passing on the article. Still I’m no expert in trying to discern media reliability.
Whatever degree of veracity they may have, reports like these are generally taken as signs that the situation is really dire, with foolish liberal soft-heartedness allowing Islamist refugees to colonize the continent and run amok. To some circulating these kinds of articles, it’s distressing and hard to conceive how a nation or it’s leadership could be willing to sacrifice it’s own safety and identity in favor of what they view as a known and well established danger.
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Is there no professional courtesy between fascists?
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The Muslim family on my corner is from Somalia. Six kids, all of them always smiling, friendly, and cheerful. They are endlessly curious about our many cats. Also, they are people.
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Figures.
Though even if the reports have no veracity (or only a heavily twisted version of the truth) almost makes no difference: It’s what these folks believe.
If you think the matrix is giving you false inputs, how are you going to decide which is real? Probably the one that agrees with your existing hopes and fears.
For Trump it’s almost worse: Most folks can at least in theory compare news sources to try and gain perspective. But every news source he’d want respect from is pretty much against Trump. Every source except that evil little imp Bannon perched right on his shoulder, dripping this poison in his ear on the regular.
And as time goes by Bannon gets trusted more and more while other advisors are driven off.
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My former boss is a Muslim, and one of the more straightforward and honest folks I know. Originally Somali, though fortunately a U.S. citizen for some years now.
I’ve been to his son’s birthday, we’ve shared tastes in sci-fi and laughed at the ridiculousness of movies together.
I’m usually a pretty “love your enemies” sort, but the idea of that ass in the oval office and his malign crony advisor trying to bring ill upon my friend or his family, or anyone in the same boat, makes my body almost shake sometimes with anger.
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I’ve seen discussions about that; the worry seems to be that with the Glorious Leader being such a thin-skinned megalomaniac, he’d take such a response as a personal insult and respond the only way he knows how. (if I had gifs handy, you’d be looking at an image of a screaming child rolling around on the supermarket floor.)
We have to be very, very careful with what we say/do when we can pretty much guarantee a disproportionate response.
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Don’t forget that the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon, and the UAE. None of these countries appear on Trump’s travel ban.
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I would. It’s a ban on immigrants, refugees, and visa and green card holders from Muslim-majority nations, with an exception for minority-religion (read: Christian) citizens. Just because it doesn’t cover the entire globe (yet) doesn’t mean that isn’t its intent.
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Giuliani also says that it is, because that’s what Trump asked him to come up with.
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That’s the thing, if you can “other” someone, it’s that much easier to dehumanize them and commit horrible acts.
With my parents’ generation, it was the relatives that got sent to Manzanar, and the identification card that my Mom had to carry as an elementary schooler. On my wife’s side, it was yellow stars and concentration camps.
This is how this shit starts, and it needs to be kicked in the teeth while it still can.
On the subject of the scary terrorists that live next to me, today we learned that their kids like cupcakes as much as my kid does, and that they’re really worried about whats happening in the US. They’re native born citizens, but just as much of a target as anyone else. It’s truly a sad day when parents have to worry for the safety of their children at school, or have to worry about their safety from other citizens.
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I’m waiting until Trump realizes that there are Black Muslims as a thing. He’s going to lose his shit.
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I’m pretty sure that tRump’s opinion of black people probably couldn’t get much lower…
It’s hard to fit a lot of brain into a pointy white hat.
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