I hear Gitmo is just lovely all year round, and the holding facilities are intended for keeping terrorists out of circulation anyway.
11 Likes
How Can a US-Born Citizen Lose Their Citizenship?
According to Section 349 of the INA, a US-born citizen may be expatriated (i.e. be stripped of US citizenship) by voluntarily performing one of seven actions with the intention of relinquishing their US nationality:
- Applying for and obtaining naturalization in a foreign country
- Making an oath of allegiance to a foreign country
- Serving in the military of a foreign country as a commissioned or noncommissioned officer, or when the foreign state is engaged in hostilities against the US
- Serving in a foreign government position that requires an oath of allegiance to or nationality of that foreign country
- Making a formal renunciation of US citizenship to a consular officer outside of the US
- Making a formal renunciation of citizenship while in the US, while the country is in a state of war
- Conviction for treason or attempting to overthrow the US government (includes conviction of conspiracy)
Note that under Section 349 of the INA, these conditions only apply if the actions are taken with the intention of relinquishing their US nationality. If the individual doesnāt understand that taking a particular action may result in expatriation, he or she may not necessarily be stripped of their US citizenship.
ā-
The Deportation Process
Once a citizen has been stripped of their US citizenship, their legal status in the United States is in jeopardy. At this point, the task of deportation would fall to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE), a division of the Department of Homeland Security. If ICE chooses to seek a removal order and deport the individual from the US, hereās what the expatriated individual can expect:
- Arrest and detainment ā ICE or border patrol agents will arrest the individual and detain them in an ICE detention facility or a contracted federal prison.
- Notice to appear ā the individual will receive a notice to appear in immigration court at least 10 days prior to the initial hearing.
- Bond hearing ā if the individual presents a minimal flight risk, he or she may be released on their own recognizance. Otherwise, the court will set a bond requirement, and the individual may be released from detention once they post the bond.
- Master calendar hearing ā this is the first official hearing in the standard removal process. At this hearing, the judge will read the charges, and the accused will affirm or deny the charges. The judge will outline what reliefs (aka defense against deportation) the individual can assert, and then schedule a formal hearing.
- Merits hearing ā the merits hearing is where ICE presents its case against the accused individual, and he or she has the opportunity to present a valid defense as to why they should not be deported from the country. A merits hearing could wrap up in a few hours, or it could take days depending on the complexity of the case.
- Order of removal ā if the judge accepts the defendantās petition for relief, the case will be dismissed. If not, the judge will issue a removal order to deport the individual.
- Appeals ā the individual may appeal the courtās decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals. In some cases, they may also appeal to the Circuit Court of Appeals, and ultimately the Supreme Court.
- Deportation ā if the appeals courts refuses to hear the appeal or rules against the defendant, then he or she will be deported. Most deportations take place in as little as 2 weeks, though it depends on how quickly ICE can acquire the necessary travel documentation, arrange for travel, and reach an agreement with the receiving country.
Conspiracy, you say?
16 Likes
Even then, this is because the USA hasnāt agreed to a treaty a load of the rest of the world has agreed to avoiding more stateless people happening.
5 Likes
I certainly donāt agree with that approach beyond people who tried to overthrow the government and institute a fascist regime.
12 Likes
So, Andrew Jackson (who swore an oath to the king of Spain as a younger man) should have been ineligible to be president. (Yes, later law, and he was a shit for all sorts of reasons).
https://www.jstor.org/stable/42628387
ETA to something that one boxes.
19 Likes
Damn!
10 Likes
now can we get him off our money?
13 Likes
Sure! In about eight yearsā¦ 
20 Likes
will there even be paper money in 2030? eesh. that feels like forever.
11 Likes
Reminder bookmark set for December 26, 2029.
9 Likes
āā¦ come with me if you want to liveā
22 Likes
Is that what itāll look like? Because that is absolutely bad ass.
10 Likes
We can only dream!
12 Likes
Thereās a thread in the sovereign citizen movement wherein they think the āUnited Statesā is a collection of separate countries, because of how the word State is used elsewhere in the world, and some vague references to that idea in certain writings at the time.
This is also part of why they think the County Sheriff is the highest form of law enforcement. If you think your state is a country, then everything above county government is illegitimate because all the state-level stuff is beholden to the federal government, which is itself illegitimate because you canāt govern a collection of countries. Or something. I dunno, none of it really holds up to the tiniest logical scrutiny, but thatās the basic idea.
These people never actually do that, and the fact that they donāt is proof that they arenāt as serious about this stuff as they say they are. Itās all cowardly posturing and trying to dodge responsibility for their actions. They donāt really believe the ethos.
15 Likes
FFS:
18 Likes
Maybe she would feel safer if they both left DC and retired to the Villages?
20 Likes
The large head on other bills is an anticounterfeiting feature, so probably not.
2 Likes
āreturnedā?!
please, no. just no.
5 Likes
Retired.
Of course - thereās no guarantee of safety from prosecution just because one retires. That depends on whether a person committed crimes.
13 Likes
thanks.
how did i read that as returned? gotta check my glasses.
thing is, that vile serpentās den of retirees in central mainland Florida-da would put aside their āwhite powerā rage and welcome the traitorous mixed couple to their āwaiting roomā circle of hell.
14 Likes
