Agreed. I think I understand your position a bit more.
It’s being paid attention to with extreme detail because of “salacious” interests as they’re a freakshow reality TV family, but in more “decent” society because the Quiverfull are rape-culture enablers at their core (in speech and action), and because the elders did their best to hide the rape and molestation from law enforcement until they were forced to make honest statements.
I will agree that it is unfair to the victims. I don’t know how better to tear down the FRC’s impression of “morality” and the social conservatives’ godly posturing without referring to the corruption within their perfect families.
I do think that the reality-tv obsessed sleazemerchants have tainted the discussions, and ask- how better should this be discussed, factually and concerning the corruption of their “lifestyle” that they would impose upon all in the world without mentioning in some manner, direct or indirect the victims of his many crimes?
Is there an article on how to discuss these topics in a less exploitative manner? It’s hard to re-take the tone and avoid collateral when the “targets” are such a combination of popular and terrible.
The sisters are also well known, for being his sisters, on TV. Everywhere. Then he molests his sisters, and you want them to have anonymity? I just… the thing that defeated the best outcome was reality… .not the media or the state. It was Josh Duggar. All douchery emanates from there. We are allowed to talk about it.
Maybe you are a white knight, maybe a monster. Hard to tell from up there on that horse. You seem very invested, and that’s gotta be a good thing. Be well.
Well no, had the police properly redacted the police report, their anonymity could theoretically have been preserved as the victims of underaged sexual assault. The same way that most other victims of underaged sexual assault have their identity protected. Being a reality TV “star” doesn’t mean that all of your right to privacy is eliminated (in fact, most reality TV is carefully scripted nonsense that has no bearing on the actual real life of the characters depicted therein). Though the cat is out of the bag now, so any talk about protecting their anonymity is pretty much moot.
Yes. Clearly you disagree, so let’s chalk it up to a difference of opinion.
As do you. I’m not quite sure why you’re so threatened by me suggesting that we don’t talk shit about rape victims, but by all means continue if it’s so important to you.
None of this is “talking shit”. It is discussing how the family, their supposed protectors harbored and coddled a rapist in thought, deeds, and in perfect line with their Faith, and the rot that underpins their supposed godly authority. These people do extreme harm to others beyond the scope of what they do to others. They abuse gays, women, and non christian alike. They are holistically vile.
We’re not gossiping about his victims. We’re sympathetic to their plight. That’s why we’re talking about it, instead of allowing shame to keep the crimes – and thus the criminal – hidden from justice.
If the girls had been beaten up and their purses stolen when they were on the way to the grocery store, would you describe discussion about the crime on an internet forum to be “salacious exposition of the personal details” of the victims? So what’s the difference? Why do you assume that sleeping children who have been attacked are being harassed in any way by the posters on this thread? We’re not salivating over the fact that something sexual happened to them. We don’t fault them. We don’t think there’s anything wrong with them. We think they’re victims who have not gotten either proper psychological support or justice for the crimes committed against them.
I agree entirely that is what he said. Some folks do seem intent on reading it as an apology for putting the family and friends in something of an awkward spot. (/serious)
Not like abusers are ever ambiguous, or like they usually have enablers around them to help them evade personal responsibility for anything. (/sarcasm)
If they were only reality TV stars and not related to the Christian right and such influential movements, this would not have reached our ears and it would be stuck in the murk of the gossip rags. Save the political implications, it would be “salacious”. But contextually, there are other factors worthy of discussion.
‘Some folks’ tend to think that serial abusers don’t really give much consideration to the hurt they’ve caused their victims, but would be more concerned with the embarrassment of being caught out.
Mugging and sexual assault are different crimes, which I think should be discussed differently. There’s a reason the police redact reports, and news articles don’t name the victims in these cases - several reasons in fact, which were mentioned in my first post on this page. Somehow that has now become and argument about I don’t even know what…
Beyond politics, the other reason persons are harping on the man so much is because the victims of rape and molestation will never ever see justice (because the crimes were hidden). Even after bravely coming forward.
Duggar should be treated like the piece of crap he is, and his crimes made known far and wide. I don’t dispute that. I’m just saying we can do that without bringing the victims in to it.
I’d argue that the fact that the abuse was known within the family, and that they took lengths to cover it up, is relevant. The identity of the victims isn’t, other than further pointing out the hypocracy of daddy Duggar’s earlier pronouncements. I’m not sure there’s enough value in bringing this up, weighed against the impact it will have on the girls, and it feels like that’s being forgotten for the sake of piling on.
And you want to chide people because there’s not enough value in talking about systemic abuse of power and obstruction of justice to cover up an individual sexual offender?
