So say I’m a white Bernie supporter, how rare am I?
Bingo!
The only person who got more votes than Donnie was a woman. Every single male candidate lost badly against him in his primary.
Just as every single male candidate lost badly to the woman in the Dem primary.
Also - looks like everyone is “electable”. And everyone thought Hilary was.
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Not really, no. I still… think about this guy a lot.
Guys who were going to vote for Trump don’t get to complain about him getting elected.
But it’s nice that you admit your responsibility.
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I think ultimately people (myself included) didn’t fully understand how flawed Clinton was as a candidate, and how much baggage she carried.
That plus the perfect storm of election interference, “but her emails” FBI backed posturing, and so on… put us on the worst timeline. We need to get off this timeline.
No - just like Nadar - you guys need to take some responsibility for your actions.
Hell - this week I was just told my people can’t use homeless shelters and can be refused medical care. That wasn’t just Trump - it was also his enablers.
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I voted for Clinton. Because I’m in California, my vote basically didn’t count.
Tell me again exactly how I need to take responsibility?
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Well - tearing her down in your column and saying you’d vote for Trump wasn’t helpful.
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The hell are you talking about? I didn’t write that column. Some 42 year old DC politics reporter did, like the screenshot says.
Pardon - endorsing his arguments.
Where did I endorse his arguments? I’m pointing out that before the election even happened, there were a lot of people who didn’t consider Clinton particularly electable, like this dude.
I did consider her electable, but I was wrong. My hope is that the perfect storm of random coinciding events narrowly led us to this freakish outcome in 2016, but we’ll find out in 2020 if that was ultimately true or not.
I’ll amend my statement- when I said “everyone” thought Hilary was going to win it wasn’t meant as an absolute statement but as descriptive. What I meant was almost every political writer and pundit and almost every poll for the year said that Hilary was going to win.
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Her “baggage” was bogus crap that other people had been piling on her back for decades. Like every candidate she had some policy flaws, but not of a sort most voters pay much attention to.
Opponents had been attacking her on spurious grounds since Bill’s time as Governor of Arkansas. At first this was mostly this was from conservatives who didn’t like her feminism, or oldies who couldn’t stomach the idea that boomers were starting to gain political power, but they used all the same tropes that are familiar today: she’s too bossy, too screechy, she killed Vince Foster, she’s a socialist, she’s in league with the banking industry, she has bad taste in clothing. Anyone on either side of the political spectrum repeating any of the “likability” (or likability adjacent) arguments in 2008 or 2016 or today was either deliberately part of the misinformation campaign, or naively a sucker of it.
With respect to the current crop of candidates, it is possible that any of the women in the mix would lose against Trump, that none of them would be able to shake whatever garbage he will inevitably throw at them, but that won’t be because they are women, but rather because of who they are.
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They aren’t truly conflicted, they are just a nihilist that wants to see the world burn.
Faults or no, Clinton would have made a fine president. “More of the same” may not have been particularly satisfying but I would have taken that over the alternative any day.
Trump said who he was and what kind of president he would be over and over again while running. His entire campaign was built on racism, hate mongering, and zero substance other than “I’m an outsider that will fuck things up” and he has delivered in spades. If someone could look at that and think “yeah, that’s my guy” then they probably were never seriously conflicted to begin with.
ETA and I love the Concern about lack of press transparency, “Wealthy McWeathyson” comings and goings at the White House. About the only thing we aren’t getting is “carefully orchestrated speeches”.
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So all those SNL jokes from McKinnon playing Clinton, riffing on Clinton’s inability to come across as likable … the “I’d like to begin tonight by attempting a casual lean”
and “Hi, Patrice, let me start by walking over to you just as I practiced”
all these bits were not about Clinton’s likability? McKinnon and the SNL writers just… made that up from whole cloth?
I mean, I’m not saying I care, because I personally don’t give a damn if the president is “likable”, what I’m shooting for is more in the “competence” spectrum.
But I think likability mattered to more people than everyone thought, and on top of everything else, russian interference, FBI “oh noes emails” nonsense, basic inability to articulate a platform other than “I’m not Trump”… I mean hell Warren is 10x the politician Clinton is, at least I can intuit what it is she stands for.
You get that SNL is a comedy show? This narrative about Clinton was feeding FOX “news” shows and conspiracy websites for years, it was easy enough fodder for a comedy show.
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I’m hoping Biden is the “Jeb!” of this election. In other words the assumed shoe in that flops. I’m also hoping that we have something like what happened with the republicans last time but in a good way: that there’s so many candidates that all the normal-y boring candidates can’t stand out, and the winner is the dark horse who differentiates themselves and is unstoppable. But of course hopefully because they are actually on the right side of history in addition to being able to capture the popular vote, and not just a Mussolini wannabe.
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He’s dropping like a lead balloon in the polls, here’s hoping.
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I am going to vote for whoever is on the ballot against Trump. Man, woman, hamster. If it is Biden, he will get my vote. If it’s Warren, she will get my vote. I suspect that a huge segment of the voters agree with me. This hand-wringing about any one candidate this far in advance of the election is only good for letting Trump think that he actually has a chance of being reelected, and pitting us against ourselves.
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