Bernie never had the support of all of Warren’s voters; polls consistently showed them split fairly evenly between Bernie and the (combined) moderates, and it was probably skewed even more away from Bernie in most of the Super Tuesday states.
The question still stands: why didn’t Sanders, who couldn’t even beat the widely-reviled HRC in 2016 and had some obvious baggage, hold back and let Warren run as the standard bearer for the left?
Probably because he had insight following the whatever feud on TV, Warren wouldn’t afford him the same luxury and in this case he was right.
In Iowa for example, Bernie would only need 4% of Warrens voters to make him the winner.
In Massachusetts, Bernie would only need 6.9% of Warrens voters to make him the winner.
I’m sorry but, you’re not only wrong mathematically but, in substance.
This makes no sense. You’re suggesting that 4% of Warren’s voters might have gone to Bernie, and the other 96% would have what, ceased to exist?
I’m sorry but, you’re not only wrong mathematically but, in substance.
With respect, I’m not new to the way elections actually work.
I think mathsplaining to @d_r is a losing proposition.
I’ve had many upper level math courses including Discrete Math, I don’t care.
That’s assuming they still vote for Warren and the delegate allocations are meaningless or they don’t vote. Which if you think about is what happens to “un-assigned delegates” i.e. delegates who were awarded to candidates that are no longer in the running and no one knows which candidate these delegates are going to support. Of course unless they publicly announce.
It is a strange discussion, though I remember feeling the same when RFK was shot and his supporters didn’t all come over to to McCarthy camp. When you’re young, things seem so obvious.
That’s assuming they still vote for Warren and the delegate allocations are meaningless or they don’t vote.
That was never going to happen. In fact, in the Iowa walking caucus, it basically can’t happen; you either switch to another candidate, leave the room, or stand in the corner and sulk in front of all your neighbors.
that is one hell of an assumption, and one that certainly doesn’t align with the polls or actual voting data.
yeah dude, he’s just pouncing on an opportunity. the man doesn’t really care about anything, deep down, at least I’m not getting that from the campaign. He’s the guy who’ll play ball, and the money is getting behind him, and it’s just such an obvious road to ‘more of the same’ pay to play, business as usual nonsense that goes on in washington. This is what everyone seems to want and it’s really disappointing. I want bernie to win because I’m not a democrat, he’s got an agenda that’s beyond repub, or demo, or court appointments, or pay to play, or business as usual, and my agenda is in alignment as a voter. So no, I’m not for compromise. I’m not for trump. I don’t care who the delegates in my state vote for if my preference is now allowed on the ballot due to some arcane system I consider illegitimate. None of the above, if these are the only options. I’m sure they’ll vote for someone anyways, without my guidance.
i predict hillary clinton as his running mate.
lol Joe will get beaten to a pulp in the general. The race to the bottom between those two doddering greed pigs will be brazen, desperate, and disgustingly sustained.
With all the policies Joe has backed in his political life that Trump will flex on him and the Burisma bullshit, Biden stands no chance. Joe won’t make it to picking a cabinet.
I’m not completely cynical or anything, no way…
What a strange equivalency and argument.
i don’t think they’re equivalent, so yes probably not the best argument. in fact i’m deleting the post.
to phrase it better:
it makes me more frustrated if someone doesn’t endorse anyone than if they endorse the wrong (IMO) person, maybe that’s not rational but it’s how i feel.
i also feel warren is great, hence not reacting much beyond expressing the above sentiment.
i deeply, truly, and sincerely thank her for her service in this race. her kneecapping of bloomberg alone deserves credit and praise for example.
but i wish she’d endorse someone, even if it’s not my candidate
I’d like to remind you, and everyone else, that the polling has consistently shown all the major Democratic candidates beating Trump. Very much including Biden.
And now the stock market is in free fall, the underlying economy is having trouble, and coronavirus is sweeping through the country while the Orange One flails around, runs his mouth, and simultaneously says everything’s going great because of him, and that all the bad stuff happening is the fault of someone else.
This whole “Biden can’t win the general!” thing is nonsense. Don’t give into despair, and don’t buy the lies of people who want the Democrats to be divided and demoralized.
The majority of polling in 2016 showed HRC beating Trump by a landslide too.
Without a true agent of change, I don’t see a scenario where Uncle Joe’s “return to the “civility”” of the Obama years message beating Trump whatsoever.
And the debates this time around will be savage reminders of the failings of the Obama admin. It is a bleak place to be right now.
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