John Oliver on Brexit: the EU is the least-worst option, and racists support Leave

[Moerae1]

Thanks!

[anon61221983]

Have a good life.

[anon73430903]

@Moerae1

Yes so much easier to believe the majority that voted are racist, bigots. Those xenophobic, simpleton, working class fools just don’t know what’s good for them, if only they would let the elites handle everything, all would just be peachy keen.

Did I say that? Staying in the EU was a lesser of two evils issue for me, and now I have serious problems as I face the removal of rights and protections. No, I do not trust the Conservatives, Labour or Ukip to look out for me, past experience has told me they have no interest in that.

You think Nigel Farage isn’t an elite? You think I am? I’m a lower middle class disabled trans woman with anarcho-syndicalist sympathies. I only live in Oxford, I don’t go to the university.

I’m seriously tempted to start an independence movement. If the UK can leave the EU then we should also be given the choice to leave the UK. I feel absolutely no pride in being British, everything worthwhile has been destroyed by successive governments (without the help of the EU).

[nemomen]

I see this discussion will not be fruitful. You’re not concerned with facts, details, or analysis, the things those pointy-headed liberal academic elites are obsessed with and are actually quite careful about, but instead are working with lazy abstractions built on emotional attachment to a tribal identity where slamming the enemy tribe with empty labels like “politically correct” and “elite” is a tribal totem proving your loyalty. The problem is you think the people you’ve been taught to hate think in the same tribalist way you do, that there really is an imaginary war, which will make it really hard for you to have any clear understanding of things that really should be obvious. As a result we can’t have a meaningful discussion, since you’re not here to discuss, learn, or analyze, you’re here to be a brave warrior fighting for your tribe. Bye.

[Moerae1]

Really which economist give me specifics, you have given nothing

[Moerae1]

Of course whatever fits your personal narrative.

[anon68952647]

@Moerae1

you have given nothing

He has returned your investment quite fairly. Not your fault interest rates are low.

[anon68952647]

oh look, doublespeak! Bully for you sir!

[anon61221983]

Oh, great and wise one, please tell the rest of us dummy how the world works, won’t you?

[Moerae1]

I’m not pretending to know it all. I just have a profound appreciation for freedom and the exercise thereof,and disagree with the assessment that those who voted to leave are automatically racist, morons, or that they are

@AcerPlatanoides

just bigoted enough and just dumb enough… No need to assume the utter worst.

[anon61221983]

Freedom to be shot by racists?

[anon68952647]

@Moerae1

and disagree with the assessment that those who voted to leave are automatically racist, morons

I’m not the one with the reflexive opinion. Mine requires evidence, and while your support for that position (brexit) is but one data point. a mere anecdote, that anecdote supports my assertion, and I find it sufficient.

something something go lay down with a dog.

[Moerae1]

I’ve read many of the reasons for staying and going, I disagree that [quote=“doctorow, post:1, topic:80100”]
Leave side’s core arguments are a mishmash of unvarnished, deranged racism and deceptive number-fudging; while the Remain side provides a lot of good to outweigh the bad of EU membership.
[/quote]

and so responded

@Moerae1

Yes so much easier to believe the majority that voted are racist, bigots. Those xenophobic, simpleton, working class fools just don’t know what’s good for them, if only they would let the elites handle everything, all would just be peachy keen.

This is your idea of a what a good data driven return is, okay whatever

@nemomen

If you’re paying attention to the news, you might see why this was a poor choice, and tomorrow it’ll be more clear. I don’t doubt many are racist, and it’s clear they’re morons. If morons make a shockingly ignorant, and foolish choice for reasons that were regularly expressed in racist and xenophobic terms by both the leaders who were proponents of Brexit and the run-of-the-mill supporters, they’ve lost the benefit of the doubt that they were just normal, tolerant morons, rather than xenophobic, racist morons.

[anon68952647]

@Moerae1

This is your idea of a what a good data driven return is, okay whatever

No, this is my idea of a typical Brexit supporter using their free speech freely. Carry on, you make my point for me. Perhaps better than even I could.

[Moerae1]

I don’t even read that rag. I love the way elites think they are clairvoyant or something…next thing someone be going to correctin my gramma, cause you know best way to demean in cyberspace is to attack ones intellect. So classic, I just love it! I bet you can name all fifty states and the capitals as well.

Your only point was to be an ass, carry on you do it sooo well.

@AcerPlatanoides

No, this is my idea of a typical Brexit supporter using their free speech freely. Carry on, you make my point for me. Perhaps better than even I could.

[anon68952647]

@Moerae1

But sure keep thinking that those in opposition to the ridiculous immigration and identity politics of the left are morons and racist, and we can eat some cake as well.

Just remember, what you imagine someone else thinks is, first and foremost, your imagination. And your imagination is nobody else’s responsibility, except yours.

@Moerae1

I don’t even read that rag. I love the way elites think they are clairvoyant or something…

So be careful what you imagine about others.

@Moerae1

Your only point was to be an ass, carry on you do it sooo well.

Ok then, nice talk.

[smulder]

@Moerae1

best way to demean in cyberspace is to attack ones intellect

I couldn’t care less whether Britain stays in the EU or not, but if your goal is to convince people that Leave voters are not racist morons, then you have to stop acting like a racist and expressing yourself like a moron.

[Moerae1]

That’s what post said, that the core arguments for those wanting to leave are [quote=“Moerae1, post:179, topic:80100”]
are a mishmash of unvarnished, deranged racism and deceptive number-fudging; while the Remain side provides a lot of good to outweigh the bad of EU membership.
[/quote]

and I disagree with that assessment and stated as such. Your point is what exactly that I am imagining that many on the left believe that those who voted to leave are deranged racist, deceptive number fudgers (number fudgers…hahaha)

I’m not going to lie a little confused, I’m really not sure what point you are making.

[nemomen]

@Moerae1

This is your idea of a what a good data driven return is, okay whatever

I apologize. I’d said bye, but need to pop in one last time.

Please don’t pretend that that comment was supposed to be about data, because we both knew it wasn’t, or at least I did and you should have. You’d previously dismissed economists en masse, so there was no reason to discuss data presented by economists at that point. I was discussing voters and the racist/xenophobic ideas both the leaders and supporters of Brexit were expressing, which you ignored, oddly re-asserting that it’s somehow wrong to label people saying racist and xenophobic things or supporting leaders saying racist/xenophobic things as racists or xenophobes.

[anon68952647]