Justice Department sues Hobby Lobby over thousands of looted Iraqi artifacts it bought

That’s true, but cracking down on the people who BUY such things can help to make the market for such things evaporate. Hobby Lobby was helping to fund terrorism, pure and simple.

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I think maybe it’s addicts you don’t like, because it’s not like people salvage live electrical wire to make their car payments.

For sure some people steal to support drug habits, but other people steal because its easy and free.

Also typically one shuts off the power first.

Oh and at least once a year our parking lot gets hit by people stealing catalytic
converters.

I think this actually sounds pretty legal. Just like Mobil Corporation can give corporate donations to PBS, Hobby Lobby can give donations to the Museum of the Bible.

But on the subject of the Museum… First I’ve heard of it. Will it be a true museum, worthy of its prime location in the capital? Or will it be a “museum” (a la Ken Ham’s Creationist Museum/Ark Adventure of Kentucky)? Because if it’s the latter, it’s sickening.

EDIT: I think it might be the latter: Steve Green (Hobby Lobby CEO) is Founder/Chairman of the Board! This will be a religious center, not a museum.

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Nothing in the Bible prohibiting abortion.

There’s a lengthy bit detailing how to procure one, though.

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Consider the Colorado Springs experience, where the council decided to save money by turning off streetlights. Eventually they faced a $5 million bill to replace all the copper wiring, which nefarious individuals had made away with under the cover of darkness (and absence of electricity).
That sounds more like opportunism than drug addicts who had been patiently suffering the withdrawal symptoms until Hey, Free Copper!

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$512,198,977 assets, holy crap!

From the summary, this is the one. Scroll down to the board list in their 990:
http://990.erieri.com/EINS/273444987/273444987_2015_0d48d72c.PDF

Edit: You went to their website. I always go for the Form 990s first–show me the money!

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You learn something every day.

Well, my dog barks at the mailman every day and he hasn’t broken in once. Good dog, right?

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$167M in donations received and $10M in employee salaries? This thing is a money machine.

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Yes, and it was only in the 1980s when people discovered the Bible had been against abortion all along.

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Wow. Hadn’t heard that.

It’s amazing what a little light can prevent. Colorado Springs is pretty nice, too. I bet some enjoyed the better star gazing.

Probably?

O_o

Came back to edit in:

Erm. Everything in the Vatican, and everything in every church you visited is a display of power, and really all the art you have seen is artfully crafted to make a political point, which at given times was or is sectarian. If it isn’t, it is representing the official doctrine to the fullest. Until doctrine changes.

Now, taking artefacts from other cultures and re-interpreting them in your own context… Where did I see that before…

Oh, right.

Quick hop over to Wikipedia on looted art:

“I will surely send you away for your own good. I will surely bring the enemy upon you in a time of trouble and distress … I will give away your wealth and your treasures as plunder. I will give it away free of charge for the sins you have committed throughout your land.”

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I only say probably because I have no idea the state of historical preservation in Iraq. Do they have the man power? Do they have the proper storage facilities? Can they put it in a location that isn’t likely to be bombed or risk attack from militants? You know they are still in the middle of a civil war, right? And like I said, they had people hiding stuff from looters and destruction during the US invasion.

Eh - that’s subjective. Certainly some of it was made to portray a certain perspective or telling. Others were made to more or less illustrate the Bible to the illiterate. Certainly one can see it in one context or another. The actual meaning can change over time, and like all art, what one walks away with varies from person to person.

The Vatican museum and the Cathedrals I toured were pretty neutral in their presentation. Sure, why they were painted at the time probably reinforced certain ideas - certainly a Catholic view point - the current showing doesn’t push one towards a specific interpretation. Evangelicals, for example, disagree with a lot of Catholic doctrine, but I can’t see them getting upset over anything I saw on my trip. And they certainly didn’t have anything like dinosaurs on arks or anything like that.

That’s as old as history. Blending of cultures. Taking something nice from somewhere else and making it your own instead of destroying it. It kinds speaks to the power of art and architecture, IMO.

Well, or

Thesselonians 5:2 - For you know quite well that the day of the Lord’s return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night.

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I think the point being made was that your view that what you saw was “pretty neutral in their presentation” is only possible because you lack the background and knowledge (as to be fair do I and I’m certain 99.9% of people alive today) to be able to appreciate exactly what messages are being sent by each piece.

@LutherBlisset is as far as I am aware quite right to say that each and every item displayed in the Vatican (or any other seat of power) has been usually been specifically chosen to highlight some point or other.

The fact that you or I are unable to parse the message doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

http://www.vaticanstate.va/content/vaticanstate/en/monumenti/musei-vaticani/stanze-di-raffaello.paginate.1.html

Purely as examples.

I could cite Trump’s golden elevators as another example.

Apart from it being the seat of the literal Anti-Christ you mean? :slight_smile:

Well, that’s one way of looking at it. And sometimes that’s what it is. Other times it is exemplifying the subjugation of another culture by the public display of their art and culture.

Roman triumph - Wikipedia

Looted art - Wikipedia

Pretty sure we’ll soon get to the point that killing the Twinkle inYour Mother’s Eye will be a mortal sin.

also, damn, 10 commandments status on the ARkansas capital was bad…

Also, WTF with draggable DOM elements, you can’t select text now?

So, two blocks off the national mall will remain a garbage zone.

Sorry, but our capital is shockingly awful place littered with very very clean monuments.

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Good to know. They managed to gloat about this little anti-secular victory so many times throughout their website’s copy, i guess i bought the hype.

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It’s hardly an address within Xanadu. I did some property work in DC maybe 10 years ago, and seriously, the line between government money and no money is shocking, and abrupt. Neat street layout, if you like very very sharp left turns at intersections.

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