Careful, she might like to claim that one.
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So happy for her. Now sheâs been martyred ,she can quit and ghostwrite herself to a million bucks and call it a day and the rest of American can move on.
Win win win, letâs get the ball rolling.
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The possibility of her making serious bank from this annoys me so I propose that the well be poisoned.
We need to sew the seeds of doubt in the minds of those who would donate money to people like this, so weâll need to stage exactly this kind of media circus, many times.
With one significant change.
We have clerks like this lady make these kinds of protest, claiming religious freedom or whatever and have them set up donation funds which significantly religiously-idiotic people can donate to and then have our clerk, once all the cash has rolled in, have a sudden, public conversion.
A message from God hisâself, commanding the poor clerk to denounce their previous exclusionary behaviour and, of course, keep all of the donations and gift the money to progressive charities for the fair treatment of gay people.
Once we can make the fuckers doubt the motivations of those who they are sending money to, perhaps the donations will dry up?
/I can dream canât I?
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Damned if I know - itâs actually true for a lot of the country, even though this is a totally bureaucratic sort of position. Whatâs extra weird in this case, is that her mother did it for 40 years before her, she was a deputy clerk for 27 in her motherâs office and her son is now a deputy clerk in her office (so heâs clearly lined up for succession) - the position is obviously seen as a birthright by this family.
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Yeah but⌠she became religious after she did all those things, so itâs totally cool!
Christians would devolve into Romans (not Roman Catholic but Roman Roman, like the salad topping) and he would be re-crucified in about five minutes. There is no way todayâs Christians would stand for his âturn the other cheekâ and âlove thy enemyâ BS. It would be âhello brotherâ, rabble-rabble-rabble, the sound of wood clanking together, then some pounding followed by âwhatâs that wood for? Are we going to sing songs around a camp fir⌠oh, no, shoot, Father, donât forgive them this time they know exactly what theyâre doingâ and before you know it there would be drive by crucifixions of all the long hair hippies in the Bible belt âjust in caseâ.
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Judge Bunning was being very careful here. Although it would be satisfying to put in really big fines and drive them to charities this woman wouldnât like, first, that only would open the door to an appeal on the order â no Judge wants that â and secondly, I donât think Judge Bunning (his father was a US Senator, and a pretty right-wing one at that) is entirely unsympathetic to the womanâs religious position on the topic but â since he swore an oath himself and as he rightly said, âOaths Mean Thingsâ he did what was necessary and no more.
Doing more than that would undermine his goal and his obligations as a Judge.
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Sheâs the only one who can issue licenses unless sheâs absent*. (Wouldnât be fair to keep people from getting married because the clerkâs on vacation, or out sick.) In jail for contempt ought to count. Sitting in her office sulking probably doesnât.
Sheâs also forbidden the people who work for her from issuing any licenses, and she could fire them just in case they had issued them while sheâs sulking in her office. Probably canât do so while sheâs sulking in jail.
Thatâs one of the things that makes this case different from, say, a judge who wonât perform marriage ceremonies for people she doesnât like - thatâs still not doing her job, but the couple can get somebody else to officiate, or marry each other without an officiant the way Quakers do, but by refusing to issue a license, when sheâs the one you have to get it from, sheâs establishing her religion as the official religious policy of her county.
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Sort of like God did after 9/11?
I call dibs on making her facial hair fabulous!!
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Was wishful thinking/musing not a serious âI expect this to happenâ. Maybe I should have put a winky emoticon.
I donât know what you mean. This movie looks great!
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A court has issued a harsh (if eminently Republican) response to the problem
So given all the supposed roadblocks (sheâs elected apparently and canât be fired), what would be the non eminently Republican response? Honestly curious
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Incorrect. Paul comments negatively lesbian relationships in his letter to the Romans, but itâs not a commandment, itâs part of a complaint about how the world is generally going to the dogs.
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Tennessee is getting jealous:
Scalia-loving Tennessee judge: Straight couples canât divorce if same-sex couples can marry
âWith the U.S. Supreme Court having defined what must be recognized as a marriage, it would appear that Tennesseeâs judiciary must now await the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court as to what is not a marriage, or better stated, when a marriage is no longer a marriage,â Atherton wrote in his decision.
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Itâs not a matter of Federal laws, itâs Federal court decisions. Canât duck those unless they want to disconnect from the Federal government, and there was a lot of unpleasantness the last time some states tried that.
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The War of Evangelical Aggression
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Marriage equality is now a Constitutional right. Like @billstewart said, those arenât the kind of things that states are allowed to âopt outâ of.
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Ah, yes, This wonderful, god-fearing woman, who has broken 3 marriage vows so far. When she divorced the first time, to marry husband #2, she was already pregnant by the man who become husband #3, who she also divorced to marry husband #4.
Thereâs some good christian values for yaâ.
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