Fair point.
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Nice! I still need to catch the last season. Crazy Ex is a guilty pleasure.
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but first let’s read facts about stingraysssss
goddamn you now i’m on a wikipedia binge.
half kidding great video
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“they can’t help themselves” is a bullshit argument. No one is saying that they don’t feel attraction, but they are intelligent enough to be able to treat others with respect. We know this because teenage girls actually do that.
That’s not what I said, so don’t put words in my mouth. Teen aged girls are socialized to very much hide their sexuality, while teenaged boys are not. While there are serious issues with how we socialize young men and women, for the most part, young women tend to not objectify young men in the same way they are objectified. We first need to have a healthier socialization around sex in general.
But if young women can learn to understand people they are attracted to as people worthy of respect, so can young men. They are just as capable as channeling their sexuality in a more healthy and constructive manner. If you don’t think they can, then I guess you don’t think very highly of young men. I, in contrast, believe that they can very much both feel sexual attraction and not objectify women. It’s really not rocket science, it’s teaching them that women are, you know… PEOPLE… not an outlet for their desires.
Okay dude… whatever.
We’re talking about behavior, not desire. If you (meaning the general you, not you as an individual) can’t NOT stare at a woman that you find attractive, then you need to get some help controlling yourself. Plenty of your fellow human beings do this on a daily basis, interact regularly with people they find attractive, without leering, staring, or harassing them in some way. YOU are not the only one who matters in interactions with others. How YOU treat your fellow humans says volumes about YOU and your willingness to see others as fully autonomous individuals.
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Treat others as well as you yourself want to be treated, or better.
Obviously, this does not apply to masochists.
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Unless of course, it’s all consenting adults and the safe words are ready! 
But seriously, spot on… this is not hard… don’t treat people like shit. That’s it. Why is that so hard for some people?
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And let’s be clear:
Feeling physical attraction to someone does not equate to mistreatment; anyone saying or implying that is being willfully disingenuous.
Acting on those feelings in a negative manner is the problem.
Boys will only ever be ‘boys’ and nothing more, if we never even bother to teach them how to be good men.
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And that DOES include leering and staring at inappropriate times (which are most times, frankly).
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“See them? They’re people too.”
“ALL of them?”
“Yes, Jimmy, every single one. So don’t be a dick.”
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Oh come on. So these women were all flirting with the men and not objectifying them? It wad just a coincidence that they all had ripped bodies? The woman waiting for the chance to rub her body up against a guy in the office is just flirting?
Go on, tell me that if those roles were reversed in ANY of those ads, that there wouldn’t be mass outcry!
But no, two boys confronted by unexpected breasts is the bigger crime, because the stereotype is that those boys were only objectifying women. While the womenin those other ads were just flirting!
There is no place for sexual harassment anywhere, but ther professionally offended are at times, taking things too far.
Flirting with someone who is flirting back is NOT the same thing as leering, or cat calling, or making another person feel uncomfortable and unsafe, which is what leering does.
That is just as inappropriate if a man did it (which is the far more common and likely scenario, because men are less likely to be socialized to control their sexual impulses than women).
You are literally being disingenuous here and making false equivalences here, not to mention putting words in people’s mouths.
Leering at another person in public IS sexual harassment. Full stop.
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Not nice being objectified, is it?
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I think so, yes.
It was just a coincidence that the woman in the KFC ad has an extremely low neckline? And you’re okay with that, but not the ripped bodies of the men? Check out that ad you posted, with the lawn-mowing man. He knew the women were watching, and he chose to take his top off in front of them. He was showing off. Contrast that to the KFC woman, who is unaware she’s being ogled. It’s not the same thing at all, and you should know that.
Those roles are reversed every damn day in advertising 24/7. Men pursue women in advertising all the time. I haven’t heard many objections to that. The only one making an outcry over reversed roles here is you.
Now you’re equivocating flirting with sexual harassment. Who’s professionally offended here?
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Citation required that someone is getting paid to “act offended.”
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Uuuuuugh.
MOD Note: Skip this topic if you can’t debate positions taken without whataboutism and brinksmanship. Sexuality is not a monolithic beast - in fact, as the LGBTQ+ movement has taught us, it is incredibly diverse and multifaceted.
But you know what isn’t? Respect. You can have sexuality and respect. And if one portrayal of sexuality is done without respect, this does not mean all portrayals are without respect, or that even the same type of portrayal is similar in how it treats the subjects.
This is true, IMHO of nearly all human interactions, and it Serves no purpose to suggest that calling out disrepectful behaviour surrounding sexuality somehow harms sexuality any more than suggesting that calling out disrespectful behaviour in any other human interaction somehow harms all versions of said interaction. We don’t work that way. And you can’t have a meaningful conversation with that ideology as the basis of your argument as a result.
Thanks.
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As someone who has spent time in a couple of different Muslim countries, I would like to counter the baseless claim above (in a flagged post) that men in Saudi Arabia avert their eyes around women.
If a woman is wearing western clothing and therefore revealing more of her body than a traditional Muslim women’s outfit would do, the men very definitely do stare. The only time I haven’t seen this to be true is if there are law enforcement officers present.
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