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[Enkita]

@nemomen

So I think it’s okay to criticize the Russians using their military’s cyber-warfare division to target the US, given that that kind of belligerence doesn’t promote peaceful relations but is the kind of attack that’s likely to escalate mutual hostilities.

Are you seriously suggesting that NATO is not engaging in equivalent attacks on Russia? We already know about the attacks on Iran’s centrifuges. My own default assumption is that they are all at it, and as the US has far more resources, they are probably at it more than the Russians. The Russian economy is only about the size of a large EU country.

[nemomen]

@Enkita

@nemomen

The US/NATO aren’t pure innocents, and it’s fine to criticize them as well, but that doesn’t excuse the Kremlin’s attacks.

Are you seriously suggesting that NATO is not engaging in equivalent attacks on Russia?

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[Phrenological]

But daaaad, he’s hitting me back!

[Enkita]

@nemomen

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Please note my use of the word “equivalent”. It has a meaning.

You appear to be suggesting that the “Kremlin” should not respond to US/NATO. Did you mean that? I am sure it is unintentional but there seems to be to be an element of American exceptionalism in your viewpoint. Currently I’m afraid my view of the whole NATO/Russian federation thing is best summarised by Mercutio in Romeo & Juliet, Act 3 Scene 1: “A plague o’ both your houses.”

[nemomen]

@Enkita

Please note my use of the word “equivalent”. It has a meaning. You appear to be suggesting that the “Kremlin” should not respond to US/NATO. Did you mean that?

I haven’t said that or even anything loosely like that, not is there any reasonable way to imply that from my words. What an appropriate response might be is an interesting question, but certainly the Kremlin’s current behavior is anything but appropriate. The US has certainly been engaging in ongoing cyber-attacks against Russia, and I don’t fault Russia for doing the same. It’s the attack on US elections that’s a concern. Russia doesn’t have anything resembling a free/democratic election, and the US certainly has not attacked Russia using the data they’re gathered in some equivalent way.

When the US/NATO meddled in Ukraine’s election, Russia invaded and annexed part of the country. I suppose since Russia’s meddling in US elections NATO/the US should invade and annex part of Russia so we could maintain equivalence and you wouldn’t find anything objectionable there since it’s equivalent, though I’m guessing you would object to NATO invading and annexing part of Russia (as would I).

@Enkita

Currently I’m afraid my view of the whole NATO/Russian federation thing is best summarised by Mercutio in Romeo & Juliet, Act 3 Scene 1: “A plague o’ both your houses.”

FFS, that’s what I’ve been saying.

[Anselm]

Not to mention the fake airfields, plywood tanks, and so on.