Light turnout for Trump inauguration

[Nonentity]

@ActionAbe

My Photoshop skills are insufficient to make what needs to happen happen.

This one might do…

K v Duffelen 🌕 ᵛᵉʳᶥᶠᶥᵉᵈ

[emo_pinata]

So in other words you cannot phrase your argument in any other way but claiming a moral high ground and leering at the ones beneath you.

[gatto]

@Wanderfound

Total pacifism is a surrender to fascism; I don’t find it to be admirable.

pacifism doesn’t mean surrender. being passive does. there’s a big difference.

@Wanderfound

But you do need to keep it in the toolkit, for deterrent value if nothing else.

i certainly think there are times physically fighting back is justified. at the same time, i see the state ( ex. the death penalty, mutually assured destruction, etc. ) and folks who’s philosophies i abhor roll out this same idea. maybe for me it’s still an open question.

@Wanderfound

It ain’t a thing to employ casually or carelessly

on this we agree. it’s why i feel — more or less – it was okay that someone clocked him. it’s also why i don’t want to see this becoming the norm.

[anon63581570]

Frankly I respect the guy from idiocracy more. He saw there was a problem he wasn’t smart enough to solve and went ‘this guy is smart. He will help us.’

[Brainspore]

@gatto

this, for instance, was a way more powerful action to honor matthew shepard and other victims of violence.

As luck would have it there are a bunch of guys in white sheets standing in solidarity for Richard Spencer too.

[Brainspore]

OK, here’s my new favorite reaction to the Spencer thing.

Rembert Browne (rembert)

[TailOfTruth]

@Brainspore

I want them to feel hated and persecuted.

Secondary to the First Amendment this is the primary reason I am in favor of Nazi’s having free speech rights in the United States. How else am I supposed to identify them and protest them? What better way to find Nazi’s to punch than encourage them to have a march?

Obligitory:

KKK marchers going to Rally

[LearnedCoward]

@Mindysan33

Given the massive pile of corpses associated with those ideologies, I’m okay with Richard Spencer getting the occasional black eye.

As am I, even if I’m not the one to do it.

I don’t condone hitting this Nazi (or any Nazi) in the face. I just think it’s hilarious when it happens. This was an illegal act, but one that was probably well worth the punishment in this case.

@Brainspore

I’m not condoning physical violence. I’m just saying it’s damn near impossible to keep a smile off my face when I see it happen to the likes of Richard Spencer.

Exactly this.

@Skeptic

That’s how they feel about beating the hell out of flag burners, gays, brown people - that it disrupts the normalization of those things.

Is it really? Were those flag burners, gays, and brown people advocating mass genocide and inciting people to violence? It’s kind of a false equivalency.

@Skeptic

Reveling in this violence is what they do. If you become like them, I can’t support you either.

Again, it was stupid for this guy to have hit the Nazi like that. He is probably facing criminal charges, and he could have gotten himself killed. However, that doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly satisfying for me to watch a scumbag piece of shit, who again is advocating for ethnic cleansing, get roughed up a little bit, just like some of us get beaten up for just trying to live our lives.

@Skeptic

So, are you George Zimmerman now? You going to shoot people and tell the cops they looked like Nazis, and Nazis will eventually want to make lamp shades out of you, so murdering them in advance is self-defense?

You can’t possibly be serious.

@emo_pinata

I can appreciate punching a Nazi.

I appreciate it even though I realize it was wrong.

@Skeptic

Again, this is the same as gay bashing.

No it isn’t. As a rule, gay people don’t threaten anyone’s way of life, or advocate mass genocide.

@Wanderfound

Is gay-bashing wrong because violence is always unacceptable in any circumstances, or is it wrong because animus towards GLBT people is unjustified?

I would say mostly the latter, but the former to a lesser extent. If we have the privilege of being nonviolent, we should be nonviolent.

Also, in this case I would not encourage this form of violence, but am glad it happened.

@nungesser

This is what I mean. Get The Fuck Out seems like a bit of a strong reaction to me mentioning that seeing people punch Nazis is cathartic, but that violence isn’t always the answer.

Pretty much this…

@nungesser

I just don’t want physical violence to be the first thing people turn to when they encounter anyone they disagree with or things are going to escalate right quick. With, say, a protester getting shot in the gut.

…and this.

[Mindysan33]

I didn’t say anything about punching you.

[Mindysan33]

@redesigned

No, or you are no better then they are.

I’m not sure telling a Jew he’s no better than a nazi is the best rhetorical device here.

[dfaris]

If you’re ok with punching an alt-right jagoff, then I think you have to relinquish your right to be outraged when they respond with physical violence against protesters opposed to them.

[LearnedCoward]

I don’t buy it. This isn’t about differences of opinion. This is someone getting punched in the face, who would gladly punch me in the face (or even worse) if he had half the opportunity.

[Mindysan33]

More opportunities to punch nazis.

[dfaris]

Whatever helps you sleep at night. When political debate devolves into a fist fight, you’ve already lost the argument. Just like the idiots who broke windows and lit the limos on fire, it gives the other side the right to call us rabble and come down hard on the side of “law and order.”

[LearnedCoward]

This is a fistfight, not political debate.

[Mindysan33]

Do you honestly think that literally anything nazis stand for are part of an acceptable political debate?

[dfaris]

I can disagree fundamentally with what they say, but defend their right to say it.

[Mindysan33]

No one said otherwise. They aren’t and shouldn’t be considered part of public political discourse, though, by the rest of us.

[dfaris]

So, you think that they should be allowed to say anything they want, but they shouldn’t do it in public?

[Mindysan33]

No. I didn’t say that. They can speak in public. I also think that people who dislike to hear racist BS shouldn’t put up with it. If they want to advocate for ethnic cleansing of the US, then they need to be aware of the consequences of doing so. One of those consequences might be getting hit in the face for advocating such views.