19 posts were split to a new topic: Is Trump guilty of RICO crimes? Can he be convicted?
how’d that work out for Vincent Gigante “the Oddfather”?
From the Wiki on this guy:
For about 30 years, Gigante feigned insanity in an effort to throw law enforcement off his trail. Dubbed “The Oddfather” and “The Enigma in the Bathrobe” by the media, Gigante often wandered the streets of Greenwich Village in his bathrobe and slippers, mumbling incoherently to himself. He was indicted on federal racketeering charges in 1990, but was determined to be mentally unfit to stand trial. In 1997, he was tried and convicted of racketeering and conspiracy, and sentenced to 12 years in prison. Facing obstruction of justice charges in 2003, he pleaded guilty and admitted that his supposed insanity was an elaborate effort to avoid prosecution, as he was sentenced to an additional three years in prison. He died while incarcerated at the United States Medical Center for Federal Prisoners on December 19, 2005."
I say bring the charges, let li’l donnie two-scoops try to fake it.
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Convicting someone of this particular crime requires proving, among other elements, that the person committing the crime knows the ballots he’s seeking to have tabulated are “materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.” So his state of mind absolutely matters and could be difficult to prove.
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That’s the part that is so stupid. At first I thought this was a leak of a call from end of November, but no…
FUCKING YESTERDAY!
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The good part is watching the Republican party eat itself. The bad part is that it oozes out onto everyone else. Too much collateral damage here.
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He’s inside a whirlwind of conspiracy theories, attempted coups, election fraud and moving boxes.
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I suspect Tromp has been told this by lawyers. He never does seem to tip over into outright criminal talk in this recording.
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It’s a good thing my celebrations don’t involve shots by the day, or I would’ve totally missed this story! 
Between the lawsuits and this call, I’m expecting a new parody of the song any day now…
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I thought I’d seen and heard everything from the orange idiot but this really does beat all. Sounds like a Mafia boss shaking down someone for protection money. The threats are not even thinly veiled. He’s obviously wound himself up to try and appear intimidating. Absolutely unbelievable.
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Jesus Christ, even Pauly and Christopher weren’t this stupid. And they almost froze to death in the Pine Barrens.
And yet, nothing will happen.
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I know you’re going by the past, but stating that as if it’s a foregone conclusion already written in stone doesn’t help.
Nothing and nobody is ‘eternal’; eventually, change gon’ come.
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Senator Collins sure was right, impeaching him but not convicting Trump in the Senate sure did teach him a lesson!
/S
(Though I should point out, as big a disappointment as Collins is, she is not the worst person in the Senate. Clearly that person is Mitch McConnell.)
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I appreciate what you’re saying, I really do.
But the crime boss has 17 days left in office and I don’t think anyone will push to make anything come of this. Certainly not any republican. IMO, I think the entirety of DC just wants to see this fucking madman gone.
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I’m not sure how going without charging them in that scenario means democracy wasn’t already dead. It’s why in any scenario appropriately charging them is the correct course, and the history has been ignoring the crimes for political expediency.
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I hear you, too; the people in power seem loathe to uphold the law whenever it’s someone rich and White who’s breaking it.
That is the tragic status quo and it needs to change.
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And even more so: IOKIYAR
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Even Trump himself frames his wild allegations in weak third-party terms (“the rumor is”, “thats what I’ve heard”, etc.). And the persons listening in never confront him on that. Who told you this? Why do you have any reason to think they are authoritative, more authoritative than our own election officials who oversaw every part of the election?
And I wish they’d followed up on his suggestion they “recalculate” and “find” more votes, making him specify just how they should go about doing this. Ie, to entrap him into suggesting something extra-legal.
Isn’t the takeaway that, gee, who knew that the Georgia officials — Governor, Sec’y of State, and Board of Elections — had such integrity? So many others grovel and whimper at Trump’s feet, like Ramsay Bolton’s hounds. All it would have taken was a few Sidney Powell-types infiltrated in the system to corrupt it absolutely. (This is setting an extremely low bar, but let’s give them some credit.)
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Yep; that part, too.
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