People just don’t want to think that someone that made them laugh could have done something as gross as this, I guess.
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You too, please.
Read the article posted by Heraclito, “The Unforgiving Minute.”
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I already put that article to Pocket to read on my commute. Thanks for the recommendation, @Heraclito
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He not only admits what he did is wrong, he explains how it was wrong. We’ll always think of him as a bit of a creep now, but he’s at least begun to try to behave like a decent person.
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There were some other distrubing episodes involving rape, but aimed at Louis. In an episode with Melissa Leo, after she gives him a BJ in her truck, she cracks his skull against the window and makes him go down on her (and then she makes him say he’ll call):
And another where he’s sodomized by Pamela Adlon’s character after he said no:
I found all three of these really upsetting.
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I’ve never had any interest in watching the show. Good to know i don’t need to ever see it.
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“There are none so emotionally blind as those who look at a person standing right in front of them and see a mirror, not a window.”
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Or this was prepared statement from the spin doctor he has on retainer. It certainly made me feel a little better about what he did.
“This is nothing. You make a public apology and loose some of your audience for a while. There’s so much of this sexual harassment going around hollywood, who can remember it all. An apology and then you lay low. A year later you come back bigger than ever”
(I think Hoffman is appropriate here)
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I think doing it right is having enough perspective and self-reflection to realize how wrong it was to abuse power and position to exploit others sexually. Then go face the victims, individually and in person, acknowledge what you did and that it was wrong, then beg them for forgiveness and ask if there is anything they need you to do. If the victims request it, make a public acknowledgement and apology, Then take a hiatus and continue with professional help.
Waiting and denying through an ever-growing environment of revelations of similar abuses, until you are absolutely exposed and have no hope of further deflecting responsibility, and only then acknowledging and making a public statement. That’s doing it wrong. That he made a more complete and articulate public apology than many gets him a fraction of a point. But he is a professional writer after all. Meh.
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Until these episodes, there were some great ones. It was a good show and dealt with some upsetting shit by staring it in the face sometimes. I can forgive some art, if I think they are trying to do something profound with it, but given teh allegations and his admitting it… well. What can you do? Just give up on the guy, I guess. Fuck him for making art I liked AND then being an asshole.
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I appreciate what Bob’s saying. Yes, the timing is cynical after everything imploded and he was able to read exactly what came out and maybe not discuss something else he may have done. But even in this thread, his response has set a higher bar, against which other (okay, really crappy) responses to similar accusations are already being measured.
As to:
Ohhh, you’re missing out. Harry Shearer’s Le Show has been running a copyrighted feature for years now called “Apologies of the Week.” There are a lot of observations about defensive apologies, such as the use of the words “may have”, putting it on the victims being apologized to as being more about their reaction than the wrong that was done to them, or the “this is not who I am” mantra.
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I’m not going to respond to your post above. I do hope you read the article. I hope it moves you to read more. And I hope you come away understanding the rare historical/revolutionary moment we are experiencing and that we have a chance to make a better world for our daughters and sons, if only we don’t fuck this moment up.
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I like him as well and he’s had some really poignant and insightful things to say. As i said previously, ultimately its not for me to forgive him and its up to him to show that he’s worthy of forgiveness.
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It was one of those things where I was starting to get creeped out, and then I thought, “But it’s Louis CK. He’s ALWAYS funny… come on… stick with it… see if it gets really funny.” And then, there was an occasional chuckle… and then that whole suicide bit, and my stomach did a backflip… bleh.
I’m typing all this from memory now… I can’t actually remember any of the jokes or what I was laughing at. But I remember the feeling like it was 5 minutes ago: “YUCK, that was CRAP, I can’t believe I watched that. What a gross, yucky, dirty, dark aging comic who is stretching for material and failing miserably.” I remember THAT.
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To those defending Louis based on the idea that he got consent:
"Several women named in the story responded on Twitter, at least obliquely, to C.K.'s stated (and self-admittedly inadequate) defense that he “asked” before masturbating.
“You asked but we never said yes,” tweeted the account of comedy duo Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov.
And Rebecca Corry, who said no when C.K. asked if she would watch him masturbate, retweeted comedy writer Katie Rich’s response, “If a woman wants to see your penis she will tell you.”
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Here’s the other thing. I really don’t give a shit if he or any one of these sexual miscreant assholes and criminals “apologizes.” I want the public shame, economic hit and overall ridicule to become so white hot intense that it becomes the new standard
NOT TO DO SHIT LIKE THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE
That would be an acceptable outcome, to me, that we can evolve a little.
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Sorry, I disagree. In my own life, the only time(s) I have ever truly granted being forgiven, was when I asked (begged) and received forgiveness. Contacting in a letter might be fine, but what you’re saying is he must live with guilt the rest of his life, and never feel the relief of being forgiven again. I don’t see it as perverted or quid pro quo, as the person wronged has every right to deny should they feel that they just can’t see past the wrong. If that’s the case, then the error / sin / crime must be carried by the person who did it.
That is ridiculous.
I don’t want to live in a world where we don’t forgive people who apologize for being stupid. Isn’t there a saying about let those without sin throw the first stone? I haven’t met anybody who hasn’t acted shamefully at one point or another.
There are certainly much worst offenses then he has committed, and assuming his apology is sincere, he shouldn’t be ruined.
For what it is worth, in the right context, I’d personally think some stranger randomly showing me his penis would be funny. I’d have a story to tell.
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