It’s just too bad that for some people around here, that’s of secondary concern to Louis career.
But hey, same shit, different day.
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Huh? It’s not the best analogy (but what’s a better one for the workplace) but certainly criminal behavior in the workplace can result in criminal charges. And by no means was I turning Louis C.K. into a machine or absolving him of anything. Again, not the best analogy (again, what’s better?) but not all workplaces are factories, some are just humans in a room. Workplace safety isn’t just making sure the belts on a machine aren’t going to fly off.
confession - I had to look up “truculent”. not one of my everyday words…
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I seem to remember years ago some old mogul showed up at the Academy Awards with a young teen girl and was applauded.
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Yeah like Trump grab her by her pussy comment should have brought him down?
Unexcusable behavior with the unfamiliar twist of accountability.
Still not as bad as Bill Cosby.
(Meant with a bit of sarcasm. A “biting truth,” as it were.)
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A relevant thread:
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I watched half of the pilot and decided it was not my sort of comedy. Looks like I was wise to heed my instincts.
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I can’t take much more of this.
LCK was only “being stupid” and he apologized, but these women won’t forgive him.
Not only that, these women are the actual sinners, because pursuant to the New Testament, “let those without sin cast the first stone.” Why are women even reporting this stuff? They’ve "acted shamefully at one point or another’ Whores gonna whore.
Anyway, showing people your cock is hifuckinglarious.
Wow.
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I mean, aren’t like half of his jokes about mocking his own masturbation habits?
Honestly, it may be naive of me, but the honesty of his reaction is kind of what I’d expect from him, I guess? I’ve never gotten into his brand of humor, but I think his routine revolves around viciously mocking his own shortcomings. He’s got experience publicly confronting his failings as a human being, is what I’m saying.
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Thank you for sharing. That’s an outstanding piece of writing.
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Ok. [3]
Hmmm. [2]
[1] NOPE!
Thank you. I admit I was vacillating. It was a heck of an apology and a delightful departure from the shit nonpologies and even shittier denials that are the standard fare these days. OTOH, he absolutely abused his position and did harm to other people - people who looked up to him.
With your post, now I know exactly where I stand. Fuck this guy. There are supremely talented comedians who can fill Louis CK’s void. Which is exactly where he can stick it.
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An abusive person is a person who feels entitled. They have the normal desires of any person, desires for love, kindness, respect, understanding, intimacy, but they feel that they can choose specific people and do whatever it takes to extract that from that person. A hallmark of this abusive attitude is doing despicable things to a person in order to extract some desired experience from that person, and then acting like it didn’t happen - because they don’t just feel entitled to the act, the feel entitled to a relationship with that person and their peers unaffected by the fallout of what they’ve done.
This entitlement taints attempts at reconciliation, as it becomes unclear if they are attempting to actually change, or if they still feel entitled to what they felt entitled to, and they have decided that these actions will get them what they want. I’ve encountered so many men who were angry that their apology did not grant them renewed access to their victim, or that the victim’s opinion wasn’t glowingly positive - that was what it was supposed to do for them, in their mind, it was a transaction. I give you apology, you give me back the person I hurt so I can hurt them again. I paid for them and they are mine. Some such apologies even sounded genuine, right up until they realized it didn’t “work”
Asking what apology would have been good enough… fact is, no single anything can prove a pattern has stopped, let alone something known to exist in this type of pattern of behavior. A new pattern has to be established, and that will begin by doing away with the idea that there’s anything he can do to return to the previous status quo. It’s common to think this disincentivizes recovery, but I would argue the opposite. If you think you are owed control over other people and what they think or feel about you even if you hurt them, or feel like you can do whatever you want to get what you want from them - an important part of moving away from that is accepting that you can’t control other people. They can dislike you, they can say no, they can remember things you’ve done and judge you. You don’t get to say something didn’t happen just because it’s inconvenient to you to be thought of as the person who does what you did. Their minds don’t belong to you. Acceptance of that would be a genuine step away from abusiveness.
But no single apology could demonstrate that. So now he has to go away and work on his shit.
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That’s the crux of the issue. Good enough for what? Apologies shouldn’t be done for anything. Transgressors should apologize because they done fucked up. Full stop.
It’s an acknowledgement of wrongdoing, not a plea for absolution. If people want absolution there are plenty of religions selling that cheap in the next life. In this life, absolution is for fountains, and apologies are resolutions to change. You don’t get rewards for resolutions. That’s not what they’re for. Resolutions are for yourself, a line in the sand for you to adhere to, not the rest of the friggin’ world around you.
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CK had Dave Becky as Weinstein had (ex-)Mossad.
CK should be done and so too Becky.
Becky’s clients include prominent comedians Kevin Hart, Aziz Ansari and Amy Poehler - all of whom have remained dead-silent in response to direct questions on this matter now and over the past few years.
Predators’ bulldogs deserve no sympathy.
Laurie Kilmartin has penned a powerful essay in which she lays bare the many costs of pursuing success in a livelihood replete with predators.
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I strongly suggest you give Laurie Kilmartin’s essay on this matter a read, then reconsider your response.
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I think this is absolutely correct. A more morally serious response would be to acknowledge that he should probably be charged, and to submit himself to the authorities.
If his victims choose to forgive him, that is up to them. He should still be punished by the state.
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It’s the victims’ decision to make a criminal complaint, though. At least for crimes like this, you can’t turn yourself in if you haven’t been charged with anything.
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IANAL, but I don’t think civilians can press criminal charges. I’m pretty sure state or Federal prosecutors have to decide to press those, though as @PhasmaFelis notes, a criminal complaint probably weighs into that decision. Civil charges are a different matter, and I strongly suspect he has those coming his way shortly.
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Thanks for explaining that, PF. I guess the adjusted response is to admit guilt and willingness to plead guilty if charges are brought.
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