Basically the movie sacrificed 99% of the lives in the resistance just so Poe could learn an important life lesson about listening to women.
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Doubt that lesson will stick for long.
Oh god, that is wonderful.
The idea that people could just nope out to Space Casino Planet in the middle of a battle, fuck around, get thrown in jail, escape, fuck around some more, and come back and the battle would not be over yet was also pretty confusing.
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I choose to believe Solo & crew were just lying low the belly of that space worm for 18 months before the Mynocks showed up.
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Fair call but it could be argued Poe’s mission for Finn and Rose was sound (although desperate) and it was a general lack of communications security culture at Finn’s end that led to a shady stranger learning sensitive information about the Resistance escape plan.
And some of the dangers of hierarchy…
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I don’t get that read. The problem wasn’t the command hierarchy in the resistance, the problem was that Poe ignored the chain of command (even going as far to commit outright mutiny) and in doing so threw the Vice Admiral’s perfectly sound escape plan to shit.
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I never said there’s anything wrong with the military hierarchy. Just there’s some dangers he’ll now be aware of if he has hot-heads under his command in future.
Just a thought…The Resistance is a smaller more desperate and informal institution than the hyper-bureaucratic FO. Perhaps in their situation it may be pertinent to sell their hierarchy to their more eclectic allies on trust more than authority?
Either way the “need-to-know” he utilized for his own ends during his command has to go both ways or it all falls apart.
edit:grammar
Maybe the lesson is that General Leia should have shot Poe for mutiny. (Well, I guess technically she did, but not soon enough to save the escape plan.)
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Yeah. The Admiral deliberately got shitty with Poe when she KNEW he was a hothead, then went and made a plan that looked to all intents and purposes like a death warrant. The Admiral fucked up bigtime. Literally all it would have taken to not have him fly off the handle is a quick ‘Hey I’ve got a goddamn plan here buddy and it’s not going to get us all killed flying in one direction’. It’s not like Poe was anyone at risk of treachery (in favor of The First Order) or otherwise needed to be kept in the dark.
Poe made a bad call, but he made it at a point where it looked like the only reasonable thing to do.
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Poe’s bomber call really challenged his likeability for me as a character. But if we’re to trace decisions made by some back to events set in motion by others in order to apportion blame then some has to go to Leia.
Right or wrong at some point she’s decided it was more use to have an unreliable hot-head as an ally because she needed his skills. Similar to Finn and Rose deciding to recruit DJ.
The desperation inherent in asymmetrical warfare I guess. It’s regret I see in her when she hangs her head after Poe ignores her orders. I imagine the Rebel command were doing the same when Luke switched off his targeting computer back in ANH only things turned out in the pilot’s favor then…
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One could make the case that ultimately the escape plan only failed because those in the know weren’t careful enough about keeping it on a need-to-know basis.
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Sure, but again you don’t deal with a hothead who has a history of making poor decisions by keeping them out of the loop.
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If I could change one thing about the movie it would be to leave Vice Admiral Holdo out entirely and let General Leia fill that role instead of spending half the movie in a space coma. So in that version it’s Leia who concocts the secret escape plan but leaves Poe out of the loop due to the lack of mutual trust he created with his Dreadnaught attack stunt.
Plus, how much cooler would it have been if Carrie Fischer got to make her exit with the Kamikaze hyperspace jump instead of having to have her character written out in between movies? Hindsight is 20/20 on that part I guess.
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I…I…
cries
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Very cool.
Experiencing each twin sacrifice themselves would’ve made seeing the twin suns going down on Ahch-To even more poignant.
Of course the upside of the cut we got was seeing the Skywalker twins interact one last time.
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I guess his force ghost could have bid her goodbye on the spaceship but that would have been a big giveaway he wasn’t physically there.
Yep. If she had told Poe of the plan a little earlier, say just before the mutiny, he just would have radioed his friends saying “no need to sabotage the star destroyer, we’ve got the following secret plan…” and the Benicio del Toro character STILL would have sold them out.
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Out of the brig.
