I don’t disagree, but using eugenics in an argument about a movie is so precipitously close to Godwining its uncanny.
Yes you have a point. And your point has merit. Please don’t poison it due to excessive hyperbole (which is kinda funny if you think about it).
I am not critiquing your argument per say, but the way you debate is uncivil while asking for civility. Your arguments use hyperbole when tempered discourse is more appropriate. And you become defensive when others aren’t civil in the way you define.
Trust me, I have been in your shoes. I still have the blisters I am not denigrating your ideas or opinions, but I don’t think your delivery is effective.
Cool story. Can you at least let us discuss it and stop shitting on our parade? If you hate discussing movies so much, why are you even hear complaining about us discussing movies? Yawn.
Both the fedora-brigade and the angry-lot are both seeing exactly what they want to see.
Well, a point that if expressed in a non asshat way could potentially be debatable. I’m not saying what is correct.
Also, a technique I use to debate with people that are extremely opinionated to to humanize myself. I tend to show empathy, even with diametrically opposed opinions. And I regard that as a strength.
I don’t mind opinionated. I’m all for opinionated.
This doof may have opinions, but they aren’t very strong, and they are not at all well-reasoned, and most of it is illegible and near illiterate word salad. In other words, he is a troll. And there ain’t no way I am “humanizing” myself to a troll. You have your style, that’s fine, but … seriously. I am not here to flatter him, even if he seems to think I am. The patronizing troll can eat a bag of dicks.
I honestly have no idea where the flying fuck eugenics fits into this discussion. More word salad that doesn’t amount to much. I am a freakin’ lefty liberal socialist. Eugenics is … sort of against everything I believe in. I bet you’re going to start calling me a commie and a Marxist next.
But, sure. I am the one attacking you! You can be as awful as you want, and insult as much as you want, and it’s totally fine. But as soon as woman argues on a subject in favor of feminism, she’s being vitriolic and attacking you.
You literally insulted an assumed female commenter only because she was a vocal feminist, and then in the next sentence said you really hate when people insult others. You’re a really, really bad MRA troll, man.
No worries, we both have styles. I don’t mind occasionally engaging those who harshly disagree with me. I only have a… 5% record of flipping them, but is what it is.
I concur. I am way out of your league. I’m glad I was never in the same one you are. Yours is hateful and spiteful, and uses images instead of polite discourse to disagree in childish terms.
I will not engage you further- I see you as a troll. So in the spirit of civility, I bow out.
Have you internalized anything said about insulting people or using extremely charged language? And don’t try and use the Insult Counter. That didn’t work when I was ten and it won’t work now.
Start a new thread and discuss your ideas succinctly, civily, and professionally.
Careful lest ye defer the agency of your thoughts to others. And from them, on to where?
@joe I’m glad you found something in my post that caught your eye but I would strongly council caution and concentration. Caution in losing yourself to invective, no matter how strongly you feel attached to your ideas. And concentration. What is it really that you wish to say? Because if you feel an affinity with anything I’ve said, concentrate on its substance, a question. When we ask questions in dialogue, we are less likely to trip over ourselves in expounding what we think we should think rather than discovering, with the aid of others, what we do think.
Ach. The number one reason I tend to relate fairly poorly with people as a mass. My only worry is that the amplification of personal sovereignty I cherish is in some way, itself, compromising in a similar fashion.
@marilove, What’s your take on Anita Sarkeesian’s Feminist Frequency tweets about the film? @daneel posted a storyfication link, digging out… here we are:
It really threw me for six… uh… that was a sports metaphor and cricket to boot. Let’s try, ‘it really threw a spanner into the works’ for me and was a central motivation in my attempt to collect my nascent thoughts on the topic. I specifically do not mean to use my voice to criticise feminism, instead talking about the path forward for masculinity ‘in the context of masculinity’. Forward into this fluid identity that humanity seems finally ready to admit to itself.
But Anita is a powerful voice and it occurs to me that I am limited in my perspective, which is why I would seek to hear yours on the subject.
I think your mistake is assuming I’m trying to have a civil discourse with you. I’m not trying to have any sort of discourse with you. You’re not someone who merely disagrees with me and who is spending time explaining their well thought and well reasoned arguments. You’re just babbling, often times incoherently. I cannot have a discourse with someone I cannot understand, and who isn’t even trying to argue sincerely or honestly himself.
What’s your take on Anita Sarkeesian’s Feminist Frequency tweets about the film?
I thought they were really thoughtful and an interesting take on it. I don’t completely disagree with her, either, although I think she’s missing something important about art/entertainment.
A quote from her:
Sometimes violence may be necessary for liberation from oppression, but it’s always tragic. Fury Road frames it as totally fun and awesome.
Yes, the movie is fun and awesome, but that doesn’t mean the story told isn’t also tragic.
Comedy is much like that. It may make you laugh, and it may entertain you, but that does not mean it can’t also simultaneously be tragic or even devastating.
I concur. I am way out of your league. I’m glad I was never in the same one you are. Yours is hateful and spiteful, and uses images instead of polite discourse to disagree in childish terms.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU HATED WHEN PEOPLE INSULTED OTHERS, BRO! I thought that made you all sad in your pants.
And yet. AND YET.
I really hope you’re a trolley. Otherwise, your lack of self-awareness is astounding and actually pretty sad.
When it comes to mad max being fun… Did I miss something else? Amputees, starvation, forcible blood letting, rape, mutilation, radiation poisoning, suicide…
Do I have a different sense of fun? I was horrified the entire time. The cinematography was amazing, but it wasn’t Fun.
I am not denigrating your ideas or opinions, but I don’t think your delivery is effective.
Let’s try, ‘it really threw a spanner into the works’ for me and was a central motivation in my attempt to collect my nascent thoughts on the topic. I specifically do not mean to use my voice to criticise feminism, instead talking about the path forward for masculinity ‘in the context of masculinity’. Forward into this fluid identity that humanity seems finally ready to admit to itself.
