Marjorie Taylor Greene wants "national divorce," but dummy doesn't see who a secession would hurt most

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There’s a good chance that all this “national divorce” nonsense is a prelude to EmptyG “spontaneously realising” that an equally peaceful “national divorce” between the sham Donbas republics and Ukraine might be the perfect “solution” to ending the war that so unfortunately began a year ago.

We’ll see shortly if she’s that obvious and clumsy about her patron.

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With the lens of the leadership of the “Greater Idaho” movement displayed by the video, the arguments in favour of the concept as laid out here come into better focus, at least in terms of the quality one might expect.

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I wonder what the justice arm of Biden and Co. is up to these days in terms of tracking down, proving, and prosecuting on the basis of, the steady flow of illegal foreign funding. :thinking:

Any day now, please…

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I live in Oregon. The whole “eastern Oregon becomes part of Idaho” vote is a fantasy. It won’t happen. They know it won’t happen. They’re just signalling how unhappy they are to live in a blue state. They’re poor counties that are entirely supported by big blue cities. Idaho doesn’t want to pay for them, and wouldn’t anyway. They’d be screwed if they really managed to catch the tiger.

There’s a thing that happens in rural Oregon, where conservatives really do pack it up and move to good old conservative Idaho, where their values are shared. It’s called, “they move back in a few years, because they hate it there.”

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The process laid out is that both states, and Congress must agree. County votes are meaningless. It is like my child voting that I will buy a new house with room for a pony. They can hold that vote, they can invite their friends to hold that vote and win overwhelmingly. And it is still absolutely meaningless.

Their research is wrong, as happens when you do your reading at freedomeaglepatriotgold.ru. New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Seriously, if counties could secede on their own to join other states, Cuyexit would be much further along. I would love for my county to be given back to Connecticut, but that is my delusion. I just have the sense to recognize it as such.

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Replace “Oregon” with “the EU” and you have the exact situation that happened with Brexit. Only that most EU votes actually went for the UK.

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Not the same at all. The UK is one political entity made up of four “countries” and many counties within them. The GI movement would be more akin to a few counties in Scotland voting to become part of Wales. Still not a perfect analogy, but much closer than Brexit.

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The situation is not the same, but read the above quote again modified as I suggested. It absolutely works.

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Ok, gotcha. I was extending your response to the whole topic, not just @gracchus’s post. My bad.

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No worries

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Those who have never encountered military checkpoints on highways just have no focking idea. Should you offer money, a bribe? Will you only be robbed and shot, or worse? Should MTG face a few armed checkpoints and experience the anus-clenching fear?

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You reminded me of this video posted by unprepared folks in an RV attempting to drive from Acapulco to Mexico City. I think these stops just involved the police, but I wondered how they’d react in places where there are soldiers, as you mentioned. Maybe we need more “this could be you, if the GOP gets their way” videos like the one where cops come to arrest a woman in her own home because she had an abortion. There has to be a way shake up folks who give pols like MTG a pass for promoting secession and fascism.

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Oh, they exist. If you drive or take the bus down the Baja California peninsula (Tijuana to La Paz, let’s say), there’s at least 3 checkpoints where you must speak with the national guard about your intention and destination, and submit your vehicle or bags for inspection if necessary. I’m fairly sure they’d accept bribes if offered.

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Been there, done that. The military checkpoints are nothing.* The scary ones are the checkpoints in the middle of no where, manned by people with guns and no obvious affiliation to any government entity. I had to pass through some of those in Liberia. Scary AF.

Those will pop-up all over the place in “low tax, no government” states that lack the resources to adequately cover their operating expenses.

ETA: *The military checkpoints are still damn scary. My heart races every time I have to pass through one.

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I visited my parents when they lived there in the 90s. At the bus depot in Tijuana we bought tickets for Santa Rosalia. I had long hair at the time and my mom suggested I brush it neatly and pull it back in a ponytail, so the soldiers at the checkpoints wouldn’t think I looked like a scruffy drug dealer. This was the first I’d heard about soldiers at checkpoints, and I hadn’t travelled in Mexico much.

Me: Wait. In this country legendary for macho culture, I’m going to be talking to an 18-year-old with an assault rifle?
Mom: You will. But: that 18-year-old is most likely a farm boy who couldn’t get work at home, and who also doesn’t want trouble. Now calm down.

Not sure what it’s like now, but if rural Mexico is anything like it was in the 90s, I’d go back in a heartbeat. Also: I talked to a few gringos who went to Acapulco or Mexico City, and to the rural bits. None of them preferred the touristy cities.

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My companion’s extended family lives in the heart of Sinaloa, and they had just left after Christmas holidays before all that stuff went down at the airport following the arrest of Chapo’s kid. I wish there was a way to stamp out that side of the culture here, because it’s ruining so many lives – not just here, but all over the world.

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