If you can’t see how creepy what he’s doing is, then I don’t know what to tell you.
But I guess if we get another 50 or 60 women talking about this, then maybe you’ll start to believe women, because apparently one woman (or several) telling their stories isn’t enough for you. Clearly, we’re all less honest or believable than one single rich man.
It blows my mind how inappropriate behavior is somehow considered to be the ‘fault’ of the victims, because “they didn’t speak up, right away…” as if there’s no power dynamic at play, which would likely penalize them for not just ‘going along to get along.’
It’s not like no women have ever lost their jobs and/or professional reputation by speaking up against unprofessional sexual advances; that shit happens far too frequently…
Anyone who wants to argue that this is okay, or that it’s not workplace harassment: you’re failing at point 4. You also fail on point 3 because you can’t see that these women are uncomfortable with this.
The fact that you’re okay dismissing women’s discomfort and concerns means that we can’t be sure that you won’t do the same if we meet you in real life. For men, it’s about “appropriate”. For women, it’s about safety.
“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.” – Margaret Atwood
As timely as ever.
I’ve had to clear a bunch of victim blaming bullshit out of this topic.
First: Victim blaming is against the community guidelines here. That means this is not the forum to discuss if the women should have somehow done more to stop the man who couldn’t help himself from creating the situation in the first place, or that this behaviour was somehow ok because it used to be ok, or was acceptable in the past, or whatever. Do that elsewhere.
Second: I have little doubt personally that this sort of behaviour was common and “accepted” (at least by other men!) in the past. As a member of the present, however, one does not get a pass for past behaviour. Especially because when it comes down to it, how “acceptable” the behaviour truly came down to the people involved. And the women involved in those situations have stated unambiguously that the behaviour was not ok by them.
Thanks.
insert that line that can be used to replace the caption of every New Yorker comic here
you’re so powerful
Seriously though, isn’t there, like, Reddit for, what’s it called, “incels?” How the heck do some people end up on bb, me wonders.
Eh, maybe it’s like how I read the Drudge Report, but the twisted opposite…?
And let’s also compare Apples to Apples. Women can be creepy too in similar ways.
And let’s be intellectually honest and acknowledge that in the real world, that happens about a bazillionth the amount of time as the reciprocal scenario.
And it seems they’re recognized more than 79.6% as much as men, for it. Huzzah!
The point is
We don’t need a different yardstick. Using the same one will do.
Why do that, when what you’re comparing is actually Apples to Oranges?
I disagree. “WE” have lumps to take, fellow white guy.
Take your lumps. And with some dignity, moving forward.
Time to listen. Not to me, though, fellow white guy. Not to me.
You and I are not being complained… to.
Maybe if you treated it as less of a military exercise?
No, we actually do, because men have historically been aided by the legal and social structure that we all live in. Plus, men are still far more likely to be in positions of power over women, rather than the opposite, thus in a greater position to exploit women under their leadership.
Of course some women can be creeps, but they are far less often in a position to exploit a power dynamic that allows them to creep on someone and then get away with that. They are far less likely to be able to put men in a position where they feel threatened if they don’t comply with them. It’s far easier (socially, legally, and physically) to just get up and walk away from a creepy encounter with a woman than it is for a woman.
Reminds me of white folks in discussions on racism popping up to say, “Well, there’s racism against white people too ya know!”
Ummmmm…do we have to pause for that, again?
Sucks that even at bbs, such things need to be explained, again and again.
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