New York Times: Navy pilots reported a rash of strange UFO encounters

Um… False. You DO know drones can fly and otherwise operate in “outrageous” ways, since they do not have to consider the “flight envelope” of a human occupant, right?

Easy example:

Another, less useful example: one spindle/“dumbbell”-shaped drone, designed with a counter-rotating electric prop at the “wasp waist” (can be operated fully autonomously or teleoperated, small ball turret on the bottom for cameras/guns/???, almost totally silent in flight, props are essentially invisible when in motion, moves like a gigantic, incredibly fast, drunken bumblebee) was the source of countless UFO sightings in Oklahoma, ca. 15-20 years ago during its initial testing. It’s in production now, although I no longer remember the name of the damn thing and Google is currently laughing at me ^^’. If anyone else remembers, leave a reply? This is now officially driving me batty…

OK, fine, battier.

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Or nonhuman.

/me ducks

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Me Bozobub; nice to meet ya, ducks!

My point here, in case it wasn’t clear, is stating these objects/craft/whatever fly in ways “no current aircraft does” actually isn’t true. Now, manned (fine, “personed”/“beinged” xD) craft that displayed such behavior, well… If so, it’s time to go kick some physicist butt; they’ve been wrong about most of it, turns out, especially all that “kinematics” BS!

I make no claims about the true origin of these objects, but any overarching claim requires, pretty much by definition of “UFO”, a lot of evidence. No, we CAN’T rule them out as man-made or natural occurrences; if we could, there would be much less mystery around the entire “UFO” phenomenon, after all =).

Not at Mach speeds dude, Jesus. You really either love combatting people on the internet, or you just REALLY can’t deal with the idea that maybe this stuff is as weird as it appears. I’d say give it a rest already, but watching you freak out is just too much fun!

Don’t get me wrong, I’m just playfully trolling.

Where I stand on it is:

  • Could be Aliens, could be drones or glitches, or something equally earth shattering (but terrestrial)
  • Man, what a world it would be if it was Aliens. The possibilities!
  • I want one.
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No, I’m not Jesus, and yes, at Mach speeds, for military-intended tech. Are you trying to imply you are completely up-to-date on transsonic unmanned flight…?

Nah.

The “‘Pumpkinseed’ external shock-wave combustion aircraft” (apparently it looks like, well, a flaming pumpkin seed in flight) is thought to have generated at least some of the “Aurora” sightings of hypersonic testbed aircraft, flying at Mach 6-9. Yeah, it’s almost certainly a drone. Yeah, at the time it was in active testing, it flew like NOTHING on Earth and generated scads of UFO reports.

Hmmmmmmm…

Again, I still have not questioned the possibility of alien involvement with UFO sightings. But watching these videos in the above article, guess what? Totally freaking possible, overall (of course; empirical evidence lies before you)! Yes, if those objects are not sensor figments, flight like that is possible, Q.E.D., but that says exactly nothing about “aliens”.

Assuming it’s alien is somewhat more silly than assuming it’s not, considering the obvious probabilities involved, but neither stance is correct, without further proof. Why does this anger you so much?

No worries, I knew you were messing about, ducks.

…You DO realize I have to call you “ducks” 'til the end of time now, right?

And I dunno if I want one. I read a silly paperback, years ago, that attempted to lay out how you should attempt to contact aliens. The ONLY thing it advised that made sense, however, was excellent, and was the first thing said (heavily paraphrased): "Try to run. You DO NOT want to be the first one. No matter how positive such interaction is intended to be, by definition you are not equipped to handle it, unless you are a very, very tiny subset of the population. Leave, if at all possible. Find someone more qualified, for the sake of your own health and sanity.

Please refer to the history of European colonialism for many examples."

I’ll wait until they’re a trend; where the heck do you return an alien?!

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I will not mention my real name here, but it’s something that you wouldn’t think people would get wrong. But they do, all the time. People get my name wrong so consistently, I have observed trends in their cultural backgrounds corresponding to the name they decide to call me.

I have been answering to literally anything people call me for over 25 years now.

Ducks it is.

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I’ll likely forget, anyhow; it’s the dab rig* ^^’. (WA resident)

And greetings.


*Which I just dropped on my foot! Ow! These new battery-jobbies are cool but…er…a bit heavy, for being so small.

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Oh, it only bothers me because someone might believe your inaccuracies — like a drone at Mach speeds can make right angle turns, then come to a hover, and then shoot off at Mach speeds instantly. You don’t know what you’re talking about, but someone might believe you, which might discourage their own investigation of the issue with an open mind. So it’s not your ignorance that I find upsetting, it’s the potential contagiousness of it, you see.

Sorry, but no. You are simply insisting you know what’s possible at transsonic flight with zero data as backup. From the data given above, no, you can not support your assertions. You are overgeneralizing.

Back up your claims, both specific and implied (the object: was not a sensor figment, physically existed, was traveling at transsonic speeds itself, was clearly enough observed that we actually see a proper representation of its actual shape and flight, was not a natural phenomenon, was not a product of human engineering) with hard data and then you can get pissy with me, if I’m skeptical, and I’ll deserve it.

Not a single moment, however, before then.

Please note, however, that I also don’t accept insistence coming from the other camp. NO ONE knows what these things are yet. As soon as you say “probably” or “most likely”, however, or anything similar, I have no problems, as long as it fits the known facts. But neither side of that argument can “win” without further evidence, any more than the theists and atheists can =).

Anyone else think, if the aliens really are around, that their interest might be just a bit piqued after we elected Trump and he put the person famous for humiliatingly forgetting all about the Department of Energy in charge of the very same agency, overseeing half the nuclear weapons on this planet?

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I totally agree with you on this, and as such, perhaps we do agree on something fundamental here. We got that!

My problem with the way you state your case is severalfold:

• It does not appear, based on anything you’ve said, that you’ve either read the detailed incident report that accompanies the tic-tac video (pretty sure it’s that one) – which I graciously provided a link to – nor looked at any of the multiple pilot interviews – which I also linked to. Because some of what is in those highly-credible descriptions goes well beyond what can be described as a military drone. Did you get to the part where it went under the water, apparently? I don’t feel like you did get to that part, because I don’t think you really read it. If you have, I apologize – but then instead of being ignorant of the facts around one of these sightings, you are actually intentionally misleading. That would be less cool than being a skeptic who happens to not be up on the facts.

• Nor are you accurately describing the known capabilities of any current aircraft, manned or drone, when you say “there are things that can do this.” Because there aren’t, not anything that is known by the public, or multi-decade black project aircraft enthusiasts. Saying “an unmanned aircraft can fly at multi-mach speed” and then say “and this other one can hover, make right angle turns, fly around weirdly, etc.” is not describing the same vehicle. For you to imply heavily that there are known aircraft capable of performing with the flight characteristics observed now over years across multiple incidents on multiple sensor platforms and visually – sometimes for days and weeks at a time, as the Navy is now acknowledging – is simply not true.

Again, I am going off of what the Navy itself is saying in public releases. Last time I checked, the most advanced military force in the world counts as “backup.” They are saying these are not ours, and inviting pilots, for the first time ever, to report them without fear, because sightings are increasing – likely in some cases, perhaps many, because of better sensor systems that tip us off to their presence – and they are literally worried it’s going to lead to in-air accidents. Have you read any of the articles being reported in The New York Times and Washington Post? What, it’s all “fake news” I suppose?

This is why your form of “skepticism” annoys me so. Because in my opinion, it’s actually a front for my number one biggest pet peeve in the world: Contrarianism. It just bothers me more than a lot of other things, even awful things. Because, as I said earlier, it has this way of breeding, you see. Many of us do the contrarian thing at times. I think it’s the number one factor that got Trump elected, for instance. But I’ve put a lot of time over multiple decades researching military black projects, and UFOs, among many other subjects. And so when someone says “well what about blah blah blah” but they clearly have either not looked at any of the referenced information, or are going out of their way to create subterfuge around the issue – I dunno, it really gets my goat. I admit it.

If these things are an advanced “alien” life form (which may directly be what we’re seeing, for all we know – perhaps these are not “ships” or “vehicles” in the way we think about such things), something tells me they do care about our use of nukes (maybe it disturbs things on “other levels” that we don’t fully understand?) and that they are very good at playing probabilities.

So yeah… that is interesting…

If anyone is a space lizard working for the Illuminati to creat the New World Order its DJ Trumpkins.

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