Again, it was different in the novel, too. But still kind of rapey… especially considering the character is 13 at the time. They aged up tons of the characters in the show because the whole lets have a 13 year old get married would seem weird and creepy, at best…
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I’ve noticed DC tends to be a bit creepier and darker than Marvel… Not sure I like that. For me, superhero comics are supposed to be fun and not so serious. I feel like I can get plenty of dark realness elsewhere if I want it.
“I have a motorboat.”
“1) I agree, but (2) so what?”
“Aha! You do realize, don’t you, that when you said ‘but’ it meant you don’t actually agree I have a motorboat. And I think you knew that. M’kay Gotcha!?”
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I think that’s probably true since the 80s or so. DC also got writers like Alan Moore and Gaiman (both of whom I like), and Frank Miller (who I don’t particularly care for, honestly) around that time, and started spinning off their weirder, darker stuff on Vertigo (which I’m a huge fan of).
In general, I always thought that the post-Stan Lee Marvel works were much more interesting and had more depth than DC at the same time, and the darker stuff in the 80s was a response to that, I think.
Of course, what did Kevin Smith say about comics? They are our modern mythologies, I think was his phrase, which I like, think it’s true.
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You were able to understand that poorly written screed? I honestly have no idea what the second post said, and that was only two sentences.
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How about unequal treatment? Do you accept that that’s bad? Or does that make you say “so what?”
Because I don’t think most people care that, sometimes, sexuality or nudity are involved in some type of media. The problem is that it’s unequal. If men got the same amount of objectification (from women) in media, the same amount of sexualization, what we would be having is not an argument about what is unfair, but about community standards, and my personal opinion would be that people who are against sexualizing of people or nudity (save a few specific contexts) are generally prudes who should not be catered to.
But we’re really not having that conversation. We’re having the ‘unfairness in society’ discussion, it just LOOKS, on a surface level, to some less sophisticated thinking, to be the other conversation. And trying to stick to the wrong one, or worse, shift it from the right one to the other, doesn’t make you look good.
It’s like a metaphor. If I ask if it’s still raining buckets outside, and you say “No it isn’t!” because buckets aren’t actually falling from the sky… you’re not actually helping me, because I’m not really talking about that… all I need to know is if I should carry an umbrella on my way to the bus. And if you argue on that point to the extent that in trying to explain myself, I miss my bus entirely, I will not be thinking well of our conversation.
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Nope, you were. Totes ironic. We would never look at men’s butts and objectify them.
@anon24181555 was right - objectification, sexualization and nudity are always bad.
#TOTES SNARK
seriously: my kids do not take baths in swimsuits.
Also: Tom Hiddleston can’t hold a candle to Jude Law or Peter O’Toole.
Aw, I thought you said “comic lovers”, because that is so true…
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I agreed early on that it was unequal. I don’t accept that that is necessarily bad. So if all you want to know about is if I agree with the unequal part, then yes, I do agree. It is unequal.
Now if that translates into unequal treatment or opportunity for women in the real world, then yes, that is bad, too. If everyone is going to counter with OF COURSE IT TRANSLATES, IDIOT, I’m not personally prepared to recognize that causal chain. I’m also not impressed by the “comics ARE the real world because they are made by and consumed by people in the real world” argument because if I create a sexist environment for people with whom I interact I think the blame is fully mine and no percentage of it gets to be placed on the comics I read.
I am more of a cosmic lover, or so I have been told.
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Jude Law? Really?
He can hold a candle to me - if he promises to drip the hot wax down my bod.
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Unequal is not bad, to you. Okay.
I wonder if you know what this says about you. Not implies, SAYS. Think on it.
I’m also not impressed
impressing you is the reason we get up in the morning, after all.
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Jeff Goldblum???
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Well, there is a hint of a valid point in there – you do not equal me, and I do not equal you.
Whether that means we are unequal or not identical is arguable, in this realm of word-mincing.
But that is but the merest shred of a point of validity that I’m finding, and I may be projecting it.
Yeah…no.
It’s certainly offering more credit than he’s offered anyone else.
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My interest rates are usurious. Those kids’ diapers don’t pay for themselves!
And I certainly can’t convince the wife to make them get a job.
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By any chance, did you read my earlier link where a comic industry professional talks about feeling marginalized and mistreated in comic book stores because of this very unequal sexualization we’re talking about?
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I saw a comic. Is that what you mean?
What makes you think it is “because of” unequal sexualization within the comics?
