Good for you. It’s a miserable feeling to know the state you live is being represented by the bottom-feeders of hate and harm. I visited North Carolina in the late 60’s and early 70’s. I was especially taken by the beauty of the land there. My own state of Illinois is a complete wreck right now with an idiot right-wing billionaire who wants to union bust and drag us backwards socially. While we’ve got a solid block of Chicago Democrats who oppose him it feels like we’re caught between extremes with no reasonable ground left for people to actually communicate on. It sucks! Good luck to you.
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Amazing since one needs a Photo Identification to obtain,
Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing, Medicaid Mortgages, To Open a Bank Account, or Apply For a Job, To File For Unemployment, Social Security, To Rent a Home or Apartment, To Drive a Car, To Buy a Car, To Rent a Car, To Ride On An Airplane, To Get Married, To Check Into a Hotel, To Buy a Gun, To Obtain a Hunting License or Fishing License, To Adopt a Pet, To Pick Up a Narcotic Prescription, To Buy Certain Cold Medicines, To Donate Blood, To Enter a Casino, To Buy Lottery Tickets (some places), To Buy a Video Game Rated M, To See a Movie Rated NC-17.
In fact you even needed Photo Identification to enter the DNC Convention
So tell me just how in the world asking for a Photo ID is racist when it comes to helping form the very basis of what it is to be American the RIGHT TO VOTE?
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“Both parties are exactly the same!”
- I.M. Moron
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I’d like to see your sources that you need a photo ID for each of these.
The argument I’ve heard is that photo ID costs money to get, and minorities are disproportionately unable to afford things like photo ID.
The ones above are basic necessities of life (or to help pay for such), so, if you can show me that you do need photo ID for these things, then sure, those who want to vote should already have the ID they need to do so.
But the items I didn’t quote from your list are all luxuries, and I can easily imagine someone who doesn’t have the money for those also being unwilling to pay the fees necessary to get photo ID to vote.
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You don’t need sources you can Google it yourself. If you’ve done any of
these things, and I’ll suggest if you’re over 16 you have, then you know at
least the parts you’ve done are true. i’ve done most of them and know them
to be true. But if it’s about the poor then why do they need the same photo
ID for Food Stamps, Housing, Medicaid, Unemployment and so on?
Truth is if it was about the cost of the Photo ID which btw is between
$10-$25 depending on the state, with many states providing free of cost
Photo ID’s, why not petition for Free Identification cards for the poor?
Wouldn’t that make more sense and allow them to obtain a card for all those
other purposes as well?
I’ve only voted in this one state (of the U.S.) but how we do it here is … if you’re registered to vote, you have to vote at your specific precinct. You stand in line for a voting official who has control of the sole copy of whatever segment of the alphabet your surname is in. They ask you your name and a part of your address.
Then they take the barcoded sticker that has just your name and no one else’s out of the binder and put it on this smallish form. You turn the stickered form over to someone who trades your stickered form (which is destroyed? or put into a box no one can get into?) for the actual ballot. Shy of pretending to be someone else who would have voted in the same precinct but somehow hasn’t already (with early voting and whatever, difficult to predict), it would be an awful lot of effort to pull it off.
With a high risk and not a whole lot of benefit.
Not to mention if you’re an older adult who doesn’t already have valid ID, there’s usually travel and long waits with proof you may not have.
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“Yeah so some people may have had a denial-of-service attack on their voting rights but shouldn’t we really be worried about them casting multiple votes?”
I love each and every one of you who bumped back against this nonsensical denialism. It’s a complete derail from a problem that does exist to concern troll about an imaginary problem.
This is why this is community is so great.
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You provided the claims, you provide the proof.
I live up in your country’s beaver-tail hat, the land of free health care and maple syrup. I have no idea what’s true for you folks south of the border. We get free photo IDs up here (at least in my province) as part of our health care program, so it’s not really an issue up here.
Again, I have only your word for that.
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I believe you’ve answered your own question in that nothing you’ve listed (with the possible exception of purchasing a gun) is granted to the US populace as a right.
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Habeas corpus.
Show me the body.
Tell me the magical phrase to enter into The Google to find the “Sandy Hook” of voter fraud.
Because I can tell you the magical phrase to find the “Sandy Hook” of disenfranchisement:
SELMA.
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I never claimed they were rights just things that required ID. But
since you bring it up it is funny that gun purchases require photo ID
while voting doesn’t?
the following article from the Washington Post should be instructive for those of you who don’t think voter fraud occurs.
The article states two important things: voter fraud occurs and can effect some close races and voter ID’s are ineffective in stopping this.
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Then learn how to read comprehensively I made no such argument, I merely
pointed out the hypocrisy of it. Your “belief” is not something I care
about. The simple facts and truth are.
You can use google (or any other search engine) to find the requirements
necessary for doing any of these things and you will see each time that
Photo ID is one of them. There are many more but these are the most common
and the most easily understood. You want to prove me wrong, go and try. I
made the claim you can refute it or accept it as you choose.
You’re right, you just asked a question which made it clear you didn’t buy the argument that it was racist:
I think I’m going to do neither: I’m just going to ignore it, since you’re clearly unable to provide any proof for your claims.
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In the 240 year history of this American Experiment I find your linkbait to be unpersuasive.
You know what’s a great American invention that’s democratized history and is freely accessible?
Gee, that’s all the references they have on voter fraud?
Frankly, I think it would be more persuasive to suggest The Freemasons were going to rig the election.
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If we are going to accept as fact that the requirement to show a state issued ID to vote is in itself racist - would it not be racist every time a bank requires an ID to cash a check? or the TSA requiring one to fly, or a business requiring one to use a credit card?
I simply listed the things that currently require Photo ID that have not
been deemed racist. Funny how only the one thing gets that label.
And I simply asked for proof of your assertion that those things required photo ID, which is central to your point, and without which your whole point collapses.
I’m still not seeing that proof.
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Mod note: stay calm, don’t insult one another, be cool.
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As I said it’s quite simple for you to do the work required for the
information you so desire. To keep asking me to do your homework is
sad, for you to keep refusing to do the research to obtain the
information you, yourself so desire is pathetic. Are you that lazy
that in the time it took you to write to me you could have easily
looked it up? Are you so spoiled that you think demanding me do that
work for you will get me to? I suggest you grow up and do the work to
obtain the knowledge you, yourself want. I already have done the tasks
to get the knowledge I want now it’s your turn.
