Some who turned out were turned away at the booth because their names had been removed from the rolls incorrectly, with en mass challenges organized by partisan groups.
This IS a documented fact in those very communities. Your word play is tiresome.
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You tend to allude to many “unique” perspectives for your beliefs however the popular narratives you align yourself with are not particularly rare and following the facts (in this case particularly) would disabuse you of the majority of them.
You don’t approach right wing narratives in America or elsewhere how you approach locks, it’s entirely disanalogous unless there’s some equivalent to trusting a rumor online about a lock, not investigating it, and refusing to reverse engineer the lock to verify the claims, but continuing to repeat the claims undigested and calling yourself impartial because you’ve never validated the claim.
Oh yeah, and this rumor about that lock is “probably true” about all locks, but you won’t repeat the claim about other locks. But it’s okay, everyone are crooks. But, only one lock gets your actual ire.
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That doesn’t work out well if you prefer to visualize sinister leftist plots everywhere.
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And evidence of that fraud against the voting process is ongoing: fully ignored by that crowd. Gosh.
It takes a village…
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- The ID required for cashing a check varies wildly, because there’s no definition of appropriate identification for it. Ditto for credit cards. If photo ID were universally required for these things, it might be racist, but there are a lot of other factors that would also need to be taken into account.
- For all of these, they’re (unfortunately) not constitutionally-protected rights. So the bar is in a much different place.
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Lol, I looked up that and the guy’s wiki article states: “Occupation- Former gas station owner; Convicted fraudster”
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The filmmaker wasn’t thrown into prison because making that film broke some law; he was on probation for committing fraud using aliases, and the terms of his probation said he had to operate using his real name.
Guess which name he used when making that film (hint: not his).
By not throwing him in jail, the message they’d be sending would be: “If we catch you violating probation, we won’t throw you in jail if the act that catches our attention is provocative enough.”
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Why is that funny? The risk involved with someone who shouldn’t getting a gun is a big one. The risk of someone voting twice is so minute that it exposes conservatives’ claims that it’s why they’re pushing voter ID laws as a total lie.
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If this were more of a right wing site, with more right wing narratives presented, I would likely be just as skeptical of those narratives, if they had obvious flaws. I mentioned clearly in my post on this thread that I knew that the NC law was enacted for racist motives. Because that is in the published transcript of the debate on the subject. My questions were generally about areas of voting policies that I have little knowledge of. And I am sure that I never said anything about one or the other party being more likely to engage in election fraud.
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The Alabama example makes sense. Is there litigation ongoing about that?
Bank account:
SSN is needed for unemployment setup in NC, but that’s also needed to get a job along with another form of valid id for tax purposes so that’s open ended as well.
Rental:
http://ohmyapt.apartmentratings.com/required-documents-for-renting-an-apartment.html
While I don’t find specific laws for NC I do find plenty of people talking about being asked for valid id and pay stubs. I know when I rented 13 years ago a valid id was required
NC is not NY city. Outside of a few metro areas you can’t live and work where you do not need a car. So if you don’t have a bank account, or rent, or own a home, or have a job, what does an abled body person do? I mean we are saying this is racists, not just discriminatory - like the elderly (medically revoked) or disabled who might not have a valid drivers license.
Why not just use your SSN? You need it for every valid form of id there is.
The wording made me wonder if it was some obscenely racist list: NAACP membership card is no good, KKK card works. Or some weird socio-economic difference: Trader Joe’s loyalty card is ok but Walmart one is out.
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It doesn’t work like that.
You made the claim but are unwilling to provide evidence. If this were an exam or coursework (say like my GCSEs, taken when I was between 14 and 16 years old, like most of the rest of the people in the UK born after 1972) you would lose most of your marks for not showing this evidence. Currently your arguments are F grade.
Give us your evidence and then we can decide if your point is valid.
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You can do these any time you want. Election day is one day, although more progressive states have started having early voting, voting by mail, etc. I suppose I would be OK with voter ID (if it were made easy and free) if we allowed voting for about three months before election day. The trouble with these Voter ID laws is a lot of them are taking away early voting, voting by mail etc., so that if you show up without ID you don’t really have time to go get ID and return. For example the North Carolina law just struck down as racist imposed a voter ID requirement, cut early voting opportunities, eliminated same-day voter registration, and banned out-of-precinct voting.
It’s pretty clear why Voter ID laws are being passed. Racism pure and simple. Worrying about voter fraud is bullshit.
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“My questions were generally about areas of voting policies that I have little knowledge of.”
Ah yes, “just asking questions”.
“If this were more of a right wing site, with more right wing narratives presented, I would likely be just as skeptical of those narratives”
But the only narratives you question here are easily answered if you were “concerned” enough to educate yourself independently.
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I think it has more to do with people living in a way that privileged white people in the US don’t imagine is possible because it’s so outside of their experience - similar to the people who think no one in the US should starve because “there are grocery stores everywhere.”
There are poor (often black) people who live in rural areas where they rarely need official documentation, don’t leave their towns and communities, and have lived that way most of their lives. They may lack all the documentation needed to get an ID card such as a birth certificate. They don’t have advocates for getting them replacements for lost or destroyed documents. They don’t have internet access to get in touch with the state services that are more and more online.
There are people who live near these people who don’t know they exist beyond rumor. They drive down the freeways from point A to point B and never venture off into the interstitial rural areas because there’s nothing of value there for them. There are places like this in a lot of southern states and all the middle class white people living in the cities and suburbs dismiss these people as mythical or at least irrelevant. That’s why it’s so easy for them pretend or actually think they don’t exist. And thus it is easy for the politicians to pass laws that disenfranchise people who have few others who will fight for them.
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Never mind, I guess.
I did read that the normal cost of a NC ID card was $10.00, but that had been waived for those who could not afford it. But that does not address the idea that getting to the DMV might be harder for those people. I wonder if the people funding the bus rides to the polls could have countered the ID laws with bus rides to the DMV?
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Do you have any actual evidence that voter registration security is not enough and that widespread voter fraud is occurring?
Again, your concerns are due to taking certain persons at their word, not based on the reality you have little interest in investigating.
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