NYC will require proof-of-vaccine to enter restaurants, gyms, and entertainment facilities

Precisely. Many more BIPOC are in favor of vaccination than they are averse. Whether or not they have easy access to getting inoculated is another matter all together.

I’m Black. I’m vaccinated. I hate needles, but when the time comes, I’ll get the booster shot if necessary.

Like Gloria Gaynor:

I WILL SURVIVE THIS.

Lastly, I seriously doubt the sincerity of your concern for the Black community and other disenfranchised people.

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Spot on. Additionally the data Drew notes is for all ages, not adults. The racism leading to disparate protection from the virus is that minority communities weren’t and still aren’t getting equal access to vaccination. The solution isn’t exposing a disparate amount of unvaccinated minorities to infection.

Or closing to everyone.

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By this chart, less than half of vaccine-hesitant people identify as Republicans.

Kaiser says 49% are Republicans.
They also say 33% are Black or Hispanic.

Separately, Kaiser found that, “As of August 2, less than half of Black and Hispanic people have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose in the vast majority of states reporting data.”

In other words, vaccine mandates in densely populated liberal urban centers like NYC will disproportionately affect Black and Hispanic people. I think a lot of affluent white liberals, who got vaccinated early, are blind to the structural white supremacy of vaccine mandates.

Note: 1. I am fully vaccinated and 2. I critique from the Left.

The Kaiser report is for 44 states- not the entire country. If that’s the same one I just looked at a minute ago.

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Who exactly decided you were fit to speak on behalf of BIPOC?

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I critique from Philadelphia.

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And I critique from the fucking frontlines of this fucking war. I have lost family and colleagues to this thing, I have friends who will never have the lives they had before. I have sacrificed my fucking mental health for this. The only way out is universal vaccination. And let us not forget that a disproportionate number of the workers in these public spaces are low paid minorities who do not get a vote in whether they are exposed or not. If protecting them means making ducking your social responsibilities a bit more inconvenient, then I am all for it.

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What is the disparate impact? Income? Violence? Employment? Dining out?

Unprotected exposure to death and disability?

Can you point to any quantification of all these in anyway and come to a wholistic disparity index for these impacts?

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You know what else disproportionately affects Black and Hispanic people? COVID-19. You know what can mitigate that? Vaccines.

Think about it.

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Wait… “white supremacist” policy? How do you come to that again? How are you defining white supremacy here? That sounds like a real… reach.

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Because we need to reach herd immunity to protect those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, and to stop the evolution of new variants. At any moment, a new variant could appear that is 10x worse than Delta.

The vaccine is free, widely available, and requires no insurance.

Please keep your science-denialism to yourself. You are getting people killed by spreading bad information. Yes, you. You are contributing to the death of innocent people right now. Stop it.

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If you have to say it…

I would put that down to a lack of availability in racialised communities due to a number of depressingly familiar factors.

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So critiquing from a position doesn’t mean that the person supports that position nor does it exclude the motive of undermining that position? :wink:

If one seems to always come to the suggestion that all laws that that person conceptualizes as “restrictive” are leftist and bad and harmful- there’s a nonzero probability that one is not arguing in good faith about one’s political position.

It would be more honest to say that one is a libertarian or conservative in their personal views and the motivations of their arguments.

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Sometimes people try to go left and then they take a wrong turn at Albuquerque and end up going Galt.

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You’re right, this is a terrible number. We should absolutely increase outreach efforts and do everything possible to combat purveyors of misinformation about the vaccine like Dr. Drew.

…are not precluded from getting the vaccine on the basis of race. Every effort should be made to remove the barriers to vaccination that systemic racism erects.

The vaccine is free. For barriers erected by economic inequality, see above.

You don’t need insurance to get the vaccine. No idea what you are implying here.

It does.

The R0 value for the original stain of COVID 19 was 2.3 -2.7. The R0 value for the Delta variant is 5 - 8. With all those people getting sick, it’s only a matter of time until we get a new variant that current vaccines don’t protect against. Then we’re back at square one. Nobody wants that, so selfish dipshits who can’t be bothered to endure some discomfort for the common good are encouraged to stay the fuck at home.

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Also, that argument presupposes we, the vaccinated people, don’t and shouldn’t care about the safety of the unvaccinated people. I don’t want anyone to die from Covid-19.

(Also, beyond the moral aspect, it’s also much better for the economy if people are alive, healthy, and willing to go out and use services, buy stuff, travel and work freely, etc.)

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