"Officer, you don’t want to do that.” — Idaho mom arrested for COVID-19 'Playdate Protest'

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Um… okay… sure, I guess? We’re all “conditioned” but I tend not see appealing to historical facts as 'being conditioned…" YMMV. Something, something, Foucault, something.

I’d suggest that the American civil rights movement DID have an impact on rights movements around the world. A friend of mine did her dissertation on just that aspect with regards to French African colonies and the domestic French press, who were deeply interested in the American civil rights movement, which informed their thinking on colonialism or post colonialism.

And this took place in the US, so it’s entirely relevant, even if you’re not as familiar with the history, it most certainly informs her actions. :woman_shrugging:

[ETA] I am glad I could give you some useful info, though. It’s always gratifying for an educator.

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I will add it to the list of proscribed words and terms not to be used without a certain context on BB.
For what its worth non-violent protest in a historical context brings to my mind subjects like Gandhi, suffragettes and hunger strikes but that would be due to my conditioning and since this thread is not about me I will drop it.

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Or, ya know, you could have used your preferred search engine to look up “Rosa Parks” to get some context when her name was first brought up in this thread.

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These people are the Rosa Parks of the people who would have shot Rosa Parks

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Or, ya know, when I made my comment nobody had mentioned Rosa Parks. And, just because she did not leap to my mind first, does not mean I am not aware of her.

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Well, yeah!

Watching ones privilege certainly sucks much, much less.

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I mean, I have an answer, and I get why it doesn’t make sense for people who have governments they inherently trust. But here’s how it works, basically. A large part of this country was founded by people who either didn’t have ready access to the government (like, look at the tail end of the oregon trail for example… we were explicitly giving land away for people to move here and set UP civilization, not to have access to it) or who couldn’t rely on the government they had to do the right thing. Because of this we have a sense of wanting the government to do the right thing, but never really expecting it to, and being on our own to make things in our lives right. This is why you have people in southern states going “what, we’re opening now? Fuck that, I’m staying at home” and why you have people in northern states going “What, we’re locked in for another week, but I live in a county that literally is nine hours from everything and all we have is two stores and a mcdonalds, and zero cases of corona in the county? Why is the government making us stay at home when none of us ever leave the county, have no intention of going to the city, and the state isn’t even offering funding for rural healthcare systems ANYWAY?”

And then there’s the news reports that this thing may be everywhere already anyway, meaning nobody trusts what any government is doing here.

And that’s the problem. Our education system growing up, like it or not, praises people who make change happen for the better over the government doing the right thing. More oft than not, our government is the foil, the problem. And the solution, more often than not is someone or some group of people getting together to do what they perceive to be the right thing ANYWAY.

Look at Clara Barton and the Red Cross. She basically was told multiple times that she wasn’t allowed to be a frontline doctor because, well, one, women can’t be doctors. And two, the front lines are scary and women shouldn’t be there. Field surgeons lobbied against her. She had to raise her own funds and secretly travelled to the front lines. She used corn husks as bandages because the war department thought that if they just starved her of supplies, she’d go home and knit or sew or something. Now we see her as a heroine. She’s awesome. Then? The government viewed her as an annoying lady who didn’t know her place.

And that’s the stories we tell. That’s why there’s a distrust of our government. And that’s why americans tend to cling to their rights so freaking hard, because we’re the story we tell is that we don’t trust the government.

And look at who the president is? Can you blame us?

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allegedly selling cigarettes!

there were no charges pressed on Eric Garner.

He was never convicted of anything.

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We already went through this with Rosa Parks. This lady isn’t Clara Barton, either. She’s the worst combination of narcissist and asshole to others. She thinks she’s the center of the universe, and everyone else is just part of the movie that plays just for her on the back of her eyeballs.

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Oh, absolutely i think we have the right call on this.

But at the time, Clara Barton was a pushy woman who didn’t know her place. Rosa Parks was just a you know what they’d say who was breaking down the rules of civil society. I’m sure people like this woman view themselves as civil disobedience and the righteous fighters for freedom, because that’s who we teach in school are the cool people.

I’m just more explaining where this sense of fighting for freedom comes from. It’s from the fact that we don’t trust our government to do the right thing, at all, and we expect people to have to pick up the slack and do the right thing.

I’m sure years down the road we’ll be very clear on whether this woman was in the right, or in the wrong. But I promise until we get to that point, there will be people arguing that she was just as right in her stance as it was for Vietnam war protestors and nuclear plant demonstrators.

Nope. We know that right now. There are people doing controversial things right now, who history may prove to be right or wrong. But reality is real, and anti-vaxxers are wrong. Period. End of sentence. The folks protesting what the public health experts are telling us we need to do to fight coronavirus right now are wrong. Period. End of sentence. No wish-washyness about this, and no both-siderism.

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“Do you know what you look like…”

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…instead of hiding behind mirrored shades, screaming at people and carrying guns.

Seriously… WTAF was that gas-lighting shit?

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Considering who is supporting her now, I think she votes and she will be probably be voting in November.

I’ll give you three guesses who I think she will be voting for, and it won’t be Biden.

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Given her attitude of “the rules apply to everyone but me,” probably several times…

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Does it follow that I reject all authority? Perish the thought. In the matter of boots, I defer to the authority of the boot-maker.

Mikhail Bakunin, God and the State

In matters of coronavirus, I defer to the authority of doctors and nurses.

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This offer does not apply to Black, Hispanic or progressive Protestantism

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To be clear, I am not against using that term when it make sense (when activists are using NV protests for an actual cause). I am pointing out the context of this particular incident, and how a white woman is deploying a particular tactic to make herself into a victim when she is very much putting others in her community at risk, which is in and of itself an act of violence by this woman.

I did, because this is who this woman might have had in mind while doing this. Plus, her name has been invoked by some of these protestors against the shelter in place orders that are saving lives.

It’s a misuse of both women, frankly.

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100% agreed.

I think we have a misunderstanding, and I think that’s my fault.

I think this woman is an idiot. I think she’s a first rate dumbass, and she and her friends probably set this up to make her look good. My attempt was at answering where this whole “Freedom” kick comes from in america. It wasn’t to defend this dumbass, and for the lack of clarity on my position on her, I’m sorry, that’s entirely my fault.

I’m not attempting to gaslight anyone. I’m not saying she’s a freedom fighter. I’m saying she THINKS she’s one.

I agree with you 100% on what history will regard this woman as. I also think a large number of people will view that history differently than I do. Enough to elect Hirocheetoh here to a second term if we actually somehow have an election that isn’t otherwise delayed (or attempted delayed.)

I made the mistake of trying to see how things were from her side without stating that I’m absolutely not on her side, and that’s my fault for leaving my motives unclear. I’m sorry that I gave people the impression that I supported her. I don’t. I was just trying to explain (given that I have family that buys into this shit) what they think they’re doing when they do shit like this.

Let me state one more time. It’s difficult growing up with family who support this kind of stuff. Who teach that this kind of stuff IS american as apple pie. I know what makes them tick. I disagree with them. My intent was to answer the “what makes them tick” question, not to defend them for being wrong.

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