Oregon militiaman arrested after stealing wildlife reserve vehicle to go shopping

The right to own private fighter jets has been tested before.

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18 posts were split to a new topic: The philosophy of property

It’s not your park to stroll through when you want. If you convince the community (or, at least, a large enough portion of it) that there shouldn’t be festivals with admissions fees held there, or that a corridor should always be kept open in those situations, then great! But no, you don’t get to just walk up and say “hey, I was one of the [largenumber] of people who paid for a minuscule portion of the cost of this, so you need to let me stroll on through regardless of whatever else is happening right now”.

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Everything I’ve read said they don’t want to get close enough to the armed wingnuts to turn of the power. Reports said that where they do have access, that power also runs to local farms and homes.

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[quote=“popobawa4u, post:24, topic:72266”]
If you ask a US federal, state, or municipal government, they do claim a right to commandeer your home.[/quote]
I said employer. You were arguing on the premise that people should be able to use their employee’s things, not the direction you switch to here. Though it’s strange for you either way, because…

That’s what I remembered. So why were you talking about what you can do with a truck that belongs to an employee, if you don’t think a truck can belong to an employee in the first place?

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Among those still active in this thread, I see three modalities of argument: legal, ontological, and epistemological. For the love of FSM, please settle on two of these, if not one.

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There are picture floating around of “their” suppies room, once barren, now fully stocked. Ending the era of federally owned property is hard work, and they’re in it for the long hall. The ideal time to blockade and lay seige ihas come and gone.

There’s also ethical, political, theological and … woops, sorry, I nodded off for a moment there.

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I’ve driven my boss’ cars, when I was a PA. Generally for things like “car wash” and other maintenance. He had this amazing vintage Mercedes convertible I got to drive once. I haven never gotten so much male attention as when I pulled up in that thing. :laughing:

Pretty sure I’d have been fired if I just took off with it whenever I felt like it, though.

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i’ve wondered this, too. if they are so anti-government, then they don’t deserve to use the things that government provides, like roads, mail service, heat, water, electricity, plumbing…

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I think you mean liberating some of his tax dollars to take a dangerous trip for the sole purpose of putting even more money into economic circulation - what a hero!

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Now imagine your park is 319 acres and adjacent to your business downtown, and there are 6 months of decent weather in your town so for a solid 3 summer months and then at least occasionally for the month and a half on either side both public AND private events effect the same shut-down for 2-5 days per week…of both pedestrian AND vehicle traffic. Yeah, the summer festival schedule is particularly brutal: I’m 2 miles away, whaddya mean I can’t turn left?

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Mod note: Stay on topic. And that means not arguing about property existing or not.

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But this is exactly what happens over and over again: the subject matter is trivial, merely an excuse to argue about what “is” is.

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The Malheur occupation, fundamentally, is about not staying on topic. The questions they ask seem to be long settled non sequiters. Can the federal government own land. Are County governments endowed by god to defend the sovereign citizen from the excesses of the “state.” And the answer to those questions is usually “Don’t be absurd…”

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By the way, anyone else getting a weird hiccup around post 40?

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Fine! So if notions of property and territory are not relevant to a topic about theft and occupation, I will defer to you clear and unbiased interlocutors to try explaining what you think is topical here. I won’t be participating in further remarks in this topic. But this had really better be good.

Derailment achieved, yet again! Congrats, I guess.

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Dude, it doesn’t work that way.

Not that I wouldn’t love to head to the local armory and pick up a SAW and M4 for the weekend using that logic. Or hell, to the local police SWAT armory and borrow an MP-5. But that isn’t how it works.

ETA - heading to Fort Knox for a bar of gold. Just one. I’m not greedy. Will be a bitchin paper weight.

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