I think of myself as a peaceful person, and actively try to be that. But in this case, not only would I be fine with the TSA agents involved being savagely beaten with batons, I’d happily take a couple of swings myself. I’d feel bad about it…but not that much.
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Jeh Johnson should lose his job over this. There have been enough TSA errors, delays, inappropriate actions, a lack of training and plain common sense to warrant the firing of the top bureaucrat and start building a new agency with the ability to combat the complexities of the 21st century.
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Yes it is. The only facts you have are from a person who filed a lawsuit. But even in the video that person says “They had her down on the ground and she hit her head on the floor.” There is nothing in that video to suggest anyone beat her.
So far all I’ve seen you do is blame the victim.
You start out victim blaming. Then you move onto gaslighting.
Really? Where did I blame the victim?
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If you don’t see it, I fear nobody can tell you.
“She hit her head”, ironically, isn’t enough information to say “she, of her own volition and action, beat her head into the ground, using her neck muscles” as you seem to be implying this whole time.
People tend to hit their heads under their own force extremely rarely. Even more rare is when it’s hard enough to draw blood.
The TSA “had her on the ground and she hit her head” is very easily parsed into “the TSA threw her to the ground causing her to hit her head”. And it’s much more difficult to parse as “the TSA gently lowered her to the ground (unnecessarily btw) and she proceeded to actively bash her head to the point of bleeding”, which is your story.
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Sorry, but your assertion that one person’s account = no idea fails to convince. I agree that it would be better to know more, but IMO it would be crass to dismiss their testimony as “nothing”. Worse yet, since LEOs like to go far out of their way to avoid any responsibility for attacking people, when/if we get their side it is often some meaningless PR formulated boilerplate which doesn’t actually explain what happened. When it comes to risk assessment of people who are supposedly paid to provide a service for me, one parties account provides infinitely more information than zero.
So? Nobody is ever wronged unless there is a video of it? Even most cops are not that dismissive! Do you think that their claims warrant investigation? Or is somebody claiming to have been beaten a waste of everybody’s time?
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"There is nothing in that video to suggest anyone beat her."
@Moth sez: “I took aim at the man, pulled the trigger and he died. There’s no proof I killed him.”
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When I think of beating, I think of someone using their fist or something held in a fist to hit someone repeatedly. I wouldn’t have called it a beating to slam someone’s head and body into the floor. Are you beating them with the floor? I guess, but that’d be an unusual way to put it.
I regularly propagandize family by sending them news articles I want them to know about so I don’t end up living in a separate reality (a reality grounded in fact, just not facts they’d otherwise be familiar with), and this story is one I sent. I try hard not to say anything false or exaggerated because they’d tune me out (more than some of them already have…) and in this case I wouldn’t say she was beaten bloody or beaten at all. I’d say she was violently arrested and thrown to the floor so hard it split the skin on her head and she bled, putting her (cancer patient, brain surgery survivor) at risk for further damage to an already-damaged brain. I wouldn’t say beating because that would suggest, as best I can tell, in their minds as they’re reading, something not borne out by the article when they got to reading it.
(In this case, all I did was link the article and say “Most likely they performed as trained. The training IS the problem.”)
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I equate beating with injuing someone intentionally. It has nothing to do with hands. My definition completely overlaps with assault, and pretty much everyone calls assault beating. So there you are.
Assaulted bloody is no better than beaten bloody.
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OK, noted. I’m certainly not going to argue my usage is the only right one, because it’s not the only way.
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Yeah. Sorry to get pedantic or whatever, but to me, beating as in “beating a carpet” has nothing to do with “the officer beat his victim”, because officers love using indirect force, that they learned in jujitsu
“the perp said something and took one step. Then they hit their head on my fist, hit their ankle on the tip of my rapidly moving foot. Then they drove their head into my squadcar’s fender, then they repeatedly drove their head into the pavement (I administered minimal force to prevent them from getting up 12 times over the course of 3 seconds). That’s why he has a very bad concussion, a broken jaw and dislocated knee.”
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I am actually going to victim blame a bit here. Not the teen who was beaten, but all of the other passengers who were inevitably waiting at the checkpoint.
At what point do such obviously gross injustices actually get so bad that they cause people to step out of their little fucking shells and actually act as a human and step up to help defend the victim in cases like these. Why wasn’t there a riot at this checkpoint? Why wasn’t there a mob ripping the TSA agent off the teen and the mother?
Are we as a country/people so cowed that nobody is willing to risk themselves to defend those that can’t defend themselves?
This is shameful in more ways than one.
And to go for the brass ring with a bit of Godwinning… Just standing by while you watch authoritarian jackbooted thugs harm someone else is exactly…
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No it’s not and either you know it and are lying, or you don’t know it and are just so fucking stupid I should award you a medal.
Do you know all the facts of the Vietnam war? If so, I’d love for you to explain how it wasn’t a huge clusterfuck and a waste.
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Sometimes it seems like a perfectly reasonable assumption that there are in fact secret flights of cargo planes dedicated entirely to moving one’s luggage to the wrong place.
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Soon they will be able to have their Gestapo check points outside the airport.
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After that it’s just a matter of time before booking a flight gets you a warrant-less no knock swatting.
Pretty sure we shot British Solders for trying to pull this shit back in the day. Also sent a nasty letter to King George about the whole mess.
Declaration of Sorry its not Me its You.
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Because they wanted to board their flight.
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…and not receive similar treatment.
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Not useless, but of limited utility.
And there are, you know, social programs and groups you can join too.
That headline was pretty descriptive – was it necessary to put the picture of this poor girl’s face at the top of this story? It’s hard enough being a teenager, and she just went through a traumatic experience after what seems like a lifetime of traumatic experiences, and now this will follow her online for the rest of her life. We should have photos of all the shit-fucking douchebags who did this instead, these girly-men who are afraid of a teenaged girl. Edit: Also the photo and personal information of the TSA administrators.
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Given that there are… persons upthread who are denying that anything happened, unfortunately, yes, having the visual proof that, as a result of the TSA’s actions, this young woman had injuries is needed.
But it’s depressing that it is needed, for exactly the reasons that you outlined.
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It is enough to make one wonder if travelling via ship will catch on again.
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