I don’t disagree with you there; multiple universes and timelines are absolutely established canon. <insert always has been.gif here>
Just saying, most Trek fans I’ve known will debate just about anything and everything, which can be fun sometimes. 
(Some have also been known to toss certain canon events out the window when they don’t suit them, but that’s another argument entirely…
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Even within the show…what with the replicator food debate. 
Better than a Michelin 4 star chef - later - nobody wants to eat this crap - let get some real food.
That’s unfair. Obiter dicta by writers about the fictional reality of their worlds does not, to me, carry the same weight as what is actually said or shown on screen. Until @lorcan_nagle corrected me, I did not think that the coexistence of the two timelines had been conclusively shown on screen (as opposed to being simply declared by the writers in an interview, which is what I understood @anon61221983 to be saying: if I misunderstood, I apologise).
You may think my stance idiosyncratic, or even plain idiotic, and that’s fair. The accusation of bad faith is not, and I would appreciate it if you withdraw it.
I suppose we will have to agree to disagree about the context of your actions because I choose to make my own judgement of them, rather than follow your incidental remarks here. Thankfully, This isn’t a thread about you, and everyone else can now continue their enjoyment of it sans this pedantry, because, as you said, you have withdrawn from the conversation.
Even with the season 3 discovery items that were mentioned before, there were plenty of events/dates within the first season of Discovery that contradicted events of the Kelvin films. One could only deduce that we were looking at alternate realities.
to be fair, pike did die eventually and kirk was left to captain the enterprise, even after kirk became admiral
is it weird that pike’s life depicted in the trailer was so similar to kirk’s life in generations?
but then i guess picard brought his saddle everywhere, so maybe the frontier has to frontier
In fact, the last episode of Discovery series 2 takes place in the same year as 2009 Star Trek in their respective timelines
That’s conjecture. We never saw what happend to Pike and Vina after The Menagerie. The Talosians could have kept him alive for ever for all we know.
All this, and no one has mentioned the one science fiction reboot that everyone is waiting for? I am of course talking about Babylon 5…
ducks, runs back to hide in /r/daystrominstitute
Still in the works for those curious. Hope JMS can reboot it effectively and catch lighting in a bottle twice (and maybe be given the budget and complete control he needs to tell the proper 5 year story)
You might want to avoid the upcoming Gergiou spin off then. I for one am looking forward to her not exactly evil adventures in the mirror universe.
I am wondering where you get that metric from. Are you talking just Mirror Universe episodes? Or any episode that deals with an alternate reality?
If just the MU, Trek spinoffs so far have only gone there three times. DS9, Enterprise and Discovery.
Enterprise’s jaunt into the MU was a highlight of S4. Plus it gave us an answer to an age old TOS question.
Discovery built a good chunk of its entire first season around the MU. I felt it updated the Mirror Universe into something not so cheesy and deeply scary.
DS9’s handling of the MU was troublesome at best. It seemed to forget that the humans were the bad guys and imo they went back to the MU way too many times.
So one out of three instances doesn’t really equate to “turning to crap.”
I believe I have fixed it for you:
“…will follow those characters in the years before Pike finds himself in a box flashing his light at people, giving Jim Kirk the opportunity to Captain…”
The Gatekeeper is trying to gatekeep a gate no one is asking to enter. Who cares if the author of the post knows exactly how many BTUs there are in a dilithium crystal when the post is coming from the pov that they barely noticed the trailer existed and have already forgotten the show’s name.
I know there are Star Trek fans here and saw that no one was going to share the trailer. I figured people would enjoy knowing about it and believe that Paramount+, Disney+ and Peacock can’t market anything for shit. I am not above helping them, and our readers, but I am not going to start pretending to know why the Borg things didn’t just win.
Now pardon me, I am rewatching the 4 hour and 19 minute Episode 3 Super Cut in 4k/5.1 – AGAIN.
I have been rewatching that lately it got a little wierd (aka normal for the time) but I love the ship designs.
Everything feels really well thought out. Models are one of my hobbies and there are some great Space 1999 models being released again right now. (Round 2 models just release the Hawk kit)
I always wanted some Space:1999 gear, but my brothers outvoted me and we got a bunch of Battlestar Galactica stuff instead.
Canon is less important than the quality of the plot and acting; after all, Trek is first and foremost an entertainment franchise. Roddenberry himself was a big fan of reboots, for example Genesis II/Planet Earth and various explicit reboots within Andromeda. However, anything that doesn’t respect the spirit of Roddenberry’s optimistic worldview is a bt of a slap in the face. I think dropping the Prime Directive would fall into this category (as much as some captains regularly violated it).
I’m looking forward to this new Trek, as like many upthread I thought the main characters were very strong in DIscovery’s Season 2. Discovery itself I have mixed feelings about. I hated Season 1 (both for the slow-talking Vulcans and for the cliched mirror universe), but thought Season 2 was excellent, with Yeoh’s character one of the best Trek characters anywhere in the franchise. It would be fantastic to see her reappear somewhere. (But not back in Discovery, which I had to stop watching; it started to feel too much like a soap opera written by adolescents. If it stays popular with people who are not me, more power to it; everyone has a right to their own tastes, as long as they don’t try to impose them on others.)
Retconning the travesty of the last episode of Enterprise was a welcome treat. Mrs. Akbar is a HUGE Tripp fan and she was livid when we watched that.
