Rapist Brock Turner texted pals photos of victim's breasts

How do you separate the two?

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Well one is the athletic organizations covering up atrocities and having no limit to what a talented athlete can do as long as they give a competitive edge to the program.

The other is people seeing a sports team on a resume and hiring them because it takes “a certain kind of person” to achieve in sports, and the hero worship of talented athletes who appear perfect because of the propaganda issue in my sentence above.

He’s not innocent, but allowing rape as justice to flourish in prison means that many many others get raped beyond pedophiles and rapists.

You’re not preventing rape. You’re glorifying it, and a sincerely horrible person for doing so. When people discuss “rape culture” they’re not just talking another party rapists, they’re also talking about the “jokes” about prison rape and it’s enablers.

Grow up beyond casual snark and desire for vengeance and realize that NOBODY deserves the authority over another’s body.

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I know, I just don’t know the usefulness in isolating the two (as if they could exist independent of each other.)

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Enjoying the application of power and control over the helpless through the means of sexual violence. Same motives that many rapists have. :frowning:

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Exactly. I’m always uncomfortable with the glee by which they dehumanize someone, even another monster.

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The point is to prevent future violence including rape.

A “punishment” that inreases the likelihood of future rape and legitimizes rape is a mistake, partly because the remedy fails to prevent future rape.

Permitting or encouraging rape in prison also contradicts the purpose of the federal Prison Rape Elimination Act which is to reduce the risk of rape in prison.

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Excellent. Thank you for informing!

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… and there’s a great argument to say that violence and abuse is the source of this type of behaviour.

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Why not? We kill killers. Why not rape rapists? That’s already the way this country’s moral compass works: It just spins around chasing itself and leaves us going, “How could anyone think [behavior] is okay! I would never (unless insulated by a sense of diffused responsibility.)”

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I’m generally not supportive of the death penalty either, FWIW.

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My remark was more in the “Bitterly Sardonic” rather than “Serious Proposal” realm.

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I figured… I just wanted to make my position clear… :wink:

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Because the moral compass of many-to-most citizens has nothing to do with State policy?

Because it does. I have simply been unsuccessful at making (in the roundabout way that I wrote it) the point that what we tolerate when it comes to “the right people” to suffer particular outrages, simply translates to individuals making their own exceptions when the time comes to perpetrate their own violence.

“It’s okay to rape a criminal- they deserve it,” quickly becomes, “It’s okay to rape a slut, they deserve it.”

It’s because we buy implicitly, as a culture, that rape or murder aren’t problems in and of themselves, only who we happen to apply them to and who gets to apply them. A jury of twelve killing a person simply have a privilege that a gang of twelve don’t. It’s not that killing is wrong, it’s that it has to be the right people killing the right people.

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Having been the jock and knowing college athletes the two need to be separated to have a meaningful conversation about it. There is a huge difference between a fan who consumes the product and those who profit from it.

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Amongst the Roman circus audience jeers, there are a few intelligent calls for the possibilities of redemption and forgiveness. People can be reclaimed. If that were not true, it almost seems you would only be keeping them alive to hurt them more. Which may be fun, and might almost be justice, but I can’t feel in my bones it is right.

But, from all we have seen, his reaction, and probably his father’s reaction is almost bound to be “Why are they all picking on us?. How come fuckmeat suddenly gets rights and a lawyer? That aint right at all”.

Damn. When or if they finally start facing in the right direction, it’s gonna be a long road back for the lot of them. But they might make it.

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Let’s worry about that when it happens, k?

Plenty of people lead their whole lives without understanding how terrible they are. His dad sure has.

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