I was thinking more that the world will be a lot more shit, no matter how placated one mob might be.
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American politics is a slowly lumbering beast when it comes to legislation. A lot of what Trump has proposed is impossible logistically and economically (the border wall), and unconstitutional (excluding a religious minority), and the rest of his proposals are kind of vague empty promises.
As much as liked Bernie, I was never really convinced he would be able to get anything done with congress either.
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In order to become a martyr, someone has to kill you. I think it more likely that American conservatives will make martyrs out of me and my peeps.
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Continued denial. The Trumpkins are reality deniers of the first order.
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Here is what’s going to happen:
The Republican party will become a sidlined group of white nationalists. They will largely be ignored because all the resonable people will have left.
The Democratic party will split into two parts — the Liberal Democrats who felt the Bern, and the Conservative Democrats who are with Hillary.
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At some level, the more screwed up things are the more that they retreat to tribalism. People become even more concerned that us and those like us are in charge. The amazing thing it that Trump of all people has channeled this to get the support of people that he has nothing in common with. What I hear from my Trump-happy cousin is that he’s a great negotiator and that is what we need. But Trump has always been negotiating with only his own interest at heart. Why people believe that he will change and negotiate on behalf of the American People is a complete mystery to me.
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I just want to say for the record: I left the Republican Party before it was cool to leave the Republican Party.
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So to placate the willfully ignorant bullying racist, America needs to let him win? That sounds like is a terrible idea.
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[quote=“TheGreatParis, post:25, topic:84346”]The Republican party will become a sidlined group of white nationalists. They will largely be ignored because all the resonable people will have left.[/quote]What alarms me is that they won’t be largely ignored, if for no other reason than the sheer entertainment value.
Also, for some reason I only just heard about the Pareto principle for the first time that I can recall – roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes. George Bernard Shaw put it a little more artfully:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Baby steps, Mr. Reich. Enough with the doom and gloom already.
We’ll retain the presidency–probably in a landslide–and hopefully the senate. That’s not trivial. The angry crazies didn’t just come into existence when Trump arrived–they were there before, they’ll be there after–they’re just more exposed now, which can be a good thing. And they’ve always been 'ready for the next demagogue". The good news is, after the stinging defeat they’re about to suffer, its less likely one will be allowed to get this far in the near future.
Yeah, they still will control the states. Stakes are high, there’s serious problems–when aren’t there?
But the Democrats are pretty much guaranteed to win the white house, along with a SCOTUS appointment and a solid chance of gaining back the senate, while the GOP is fractured and about to be sent a message that bigoted rabble rousing isn’t a viable path to the future. That’s much better than one might have assumed the situation would be a year ago.
Good times! (Relatively speaking).
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Not a Trump fan here in the least but I have to admit that ALL of the violence connected with politics this season has been perpetrated by people opposed to Trump, not his supporters.
Trump’s white, middle aged to elderly, often obese fanbase is not in the “shooting up shopping malls” demo. If they were, they would have been doing it just after Obama was elected which is what got most of them so angry in the first place. They may be an “angry mob” of a sort but their weapons are their votes, their money and their numbers.
The other reason there won’t be violence is that there will likely be no question about the vote. It looks as though Trump may lose in a landslide of historic proportions. We are seeing the making of this (and hearing Trump’s excuses) already. We will be fully expecting Trump to lose hard by the middle of October. There will be no “shock” or ballot by ballot recounts that can be argued over for decades.
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My favorite Trumpism this morning was his reaction to the latest Anthony Weiner debacle of sending ladies pictures of his dick while he snuggled with his young son in bed. His wife – a Clinton staffer – finally left him. Trump’s reaction: “HOW DARE HILLARY LET HIM SEXT??? THIS IS A NATIONAL SECURITY NIGHTMARE.”
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If you think the crazy is going away after the election, you gotta read a right wing forum. These people are walling themselves off from reality. Maybe a bunker is a better term. They reject any information that doesn’t come from Breitbart or Trump himself. Polls, studies, facts? “Everyone knows the MSM is a tool of the left wing”. And that now amazingly includes Fox News. So, when all information that does not agree with your ideology is fictitious, what can you do but fight to the death? You know you’re right!!! Of course the election was stolen, all those polls were biased!!!
This will be ugly for a long time to come.
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You linked to a list of crimes committed almost entirely by Trump protesters including one where a guy admitted to trying to kill Trump himself.
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That’s quite the opener you’ve got there.
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Well, #16, #18 and #20 were done by Trump opponents, but #1, #2, #3, #4, #6, #8, #9, #10, #12, #13 and #17 were done by Trump supporters, and that is leaving out cases where all it says is that protesters were escorted out. So no, you saying all the violence was done by Trump opponents is wrong, and insisting this article supports that position is a really obvious lie, seeing as how it’s right there for us all to read.
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Right behind you…
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There are twenty incidents listed; #1-#14 and #17 were all incidents of violence against Trump protestors, #15 and #19 are unclear, and the other three were initiated by Trump protestors against Trump supporters.
So, no, not all of the violence is being perpetrated by Trump supporters, but your allegation that “ALL of the violence connected with politics this season has been perpetrated by people opposed to Trump, not his supporters” is blatantly false.
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Very nicely and narrowly defined slice of violence there. Neatly skips over the multiple assaults and such that have been perpetrated by Trump’s supporters on minorities.
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