Why not the Pacific Floating Garbage Patch?
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I didn’t read @hecep’s post as proposing that, but (and I’m nitpicking again) your post presumes the Rs have any real ideals to be ideological about. I think they’ve (the politicians, in any case) shown us very clearly that their only ideal is to gain and keep power.
I’d like to be proven wrong. I’d love to learn there is some basis to start negotiations from. But as things are, it seems futile to try to compromise with such folks.
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Their current ideology is: Democrats and “Leftists” Bad!
They have other pet interests, but as far as political direction, it is mostly resisting the political opposition on every front, regardless on who dumb that might be.
I agree with your point. I just have to hold out the hope that reason might eventually snap some people back from this.
And I don’t think they were proposing that - per se, they were just back of the napkin math figuring how many “reasonable” people seem left to reach out to. I just used their post as sort of a springboard.
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I do, too. It just seems more and more futile, as long as McTurtle is there.
But, yeah, I have family who used to be “reasonable” Republicans, who had actual values, that we could discuss. It has been a hard few years. I hope they can find their way back to some kind of moral compass.
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It’s not that they don’t want treatment though. They just don’t want treatment for COVID - 19. They want doctors to treat them for the imaginary other disease that they think they have. Probably ties in with some people thinking doctors are like retail staff and you can get whatever diagnosis/treatment you want from them as long as you pay.
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IANAL, but it seems like there’s be less problems with a complete waiver of treatment than giving them sugar pills for an imaginary illness. Waiving treatment would not mean they’d be released, but I doubt it would be ethical to tell them they are being quarantined for any other reason.
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Henry Winkler the Fonz had a trade mark insult besides “Sit on it”. The other remark was “Up your nose with a rubber hose.” I had nasal intubation as a medical person you know the patient requires immobilitization during the procedure.
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Because they’re certain “it’ll teach that libtard a lesson”. But time after time, again and again, the only lesson I ever learn is the same one: You. Are. A. Jerk.
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Wasn’t that from Welcome Back Kotter?
(Who knew John Travolta ever had a hose problem?)
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Oh shit. This is one of those Merrianne thingys CERN created with the reality changing. It wasnt Welcome back Kotter it was Happy Days… cant … find video evidence… sheight.
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From what the news stories carry, about 25% do a 180 and start begging people to mask up. Usually this is because someone (at least one, sadly) died. Another 50% say it’s real but not that bad. These are usually the ones who live with minor symptoms. The remaining 25% are usually claiming it isn’t real, or the doctor themselves gave it to them, or other crazy stuff.
Trump has weaponized stupidity.
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Liberals ridiculing and vilifying the visible media-baiting MAGAs is a problem because … “intelligent conservatives” don’t like it? No matter how awful the deplorable MAGAs are, liberals are not allowed to talk about it because it will alienate “intelligent conservatives”?
If liberals just stop talking at all, about anything, then finally the “intelligent conservatives” will reach across the aisle and … uh … what do we expect them to help us with again?
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Hmm… STD can cause some problem in that area and there are some peculiar rubbers that could help to stop them, but people refuse to use them.
And from my opinion masks are way a less nuisance compared to them.
Cool! Never knew where that phrase came from!
Never was there a more dryly humorous medical textbook statement than the one for intubation: “Sedation recommended.”
Also: I hope you have recovered from whatever you had that required intubation. You have my sympathy.
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Exactly. Why would intelligent conservatives mind if people highlight the foibles of authoritarian followers in a cult of personality for a con artist? It’s feels a little like the intelligent conservatives in question identify with the people denying that coronavirus is real even as they die of it.
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Conservatives I know (relatives) to whom I’ve listened closely, told me they vote Republican primarily because they support body autonomy. They recently moved away from New York to a southern state because they didn’t want to be forced to give their children vaccines. They felt that in New York (their state of birth), they were being excluded from and penalized by organizations and institutions for that personal preference.
I strongly disagree with their perspective about vaccines, but I strongly support their right to exercise their own parenting decisions about body autonomy, as long as they aren’t hurting others or their kids. People tend to disagree on what constitutes “hurting others” or “bad parenting” in this context.
Other conservatives I’ve listened to cite gun laws as a motivator. They are gun enthusiasts who look at liberals at wanting to take away their right to own a gun. However, from how they talk about it, I suspect that under the surface they see as less about the guns and more about liberals forcing their will upon them. They often seem to me like the sort who never back down from a power struggle.
The most common one that conservatives have told meis that (more or less) they hate liberals. They feel that liberals (whom they commonly call “SJW’s” or “libtards”) generally judge and look down on them, and generalize and vilify them as racist, misogynist, homophobic, etc. simply because they vote Republican. So they do. It’s like a self-reinforcing thing. They lean conservative Republican anyway, but once they feel persecuted, they get triggered. After then it seems like it’s no longer about policy or ideology, but just about lashing out in spite. These are usually kind and welcoming people even when they know I disagree with them, but one they get a hint someone judging or looking down on them as “lesser” for their beliefs, they flip into a defensive, angry mindset, hidden behind fake smiles.
I generally disagree with them strongly about their ideologies and policy preferences, but I personally don’t blame them for voting for Trump in retaliation to feeling persecuted and judged by people who overtly hold them in contempt. Seeing all of the ad hominem online (including here) echoed by liberals I call friends, I don’t blame them for emotionally prioritizing retaliation over ideology.
Is that why they’re for denying a woman they dont even know the right to do what she herself deems right to do with her own body? Because of their own superstitious beliefs in a sky daddy? This “bodily autonomy” is only for them and their kind, no?
I really can’t see anything “valid” about beliefs like that.
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It’s OK for them to persecute and judge people, and hold people in contempt, but if they FEEL like maybe those people sometimes respond in kind, well, then of course they’re totally justified in voting to persecute them even more.
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