Romney to vote in favor of article of Trump impeachment on abuse of power

That’s what I’m thinking, but you worded that much better than I did. :grin:

I suppose so… It seems such a low bar to clear, though.

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It certainly seems plausible that Romney is a selfish dick who nonetheless has limits for how low he’ll debase himself in the name of his party.

We have long been saying how nice it would be if some Republican, ANY Republican, stood up to Trump on principle even at the cost of their own political career. I can’t very well attack Romney for voting this way when he’s giving every appearance of doing just that.

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It’ll be an excellent demo of the “head on a pike” phenomenon.

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Is this, like, the first time you’ve ever heard of Mitt Romney?

Is this, like, the first time you’ve ever heard of the Washington Examiner?

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All true, but by invoking God, he may be hinting at the Mormon teachings about the Constitution. It’s considered divinely inspired. Changing a position on policy is one thing. But when he says “As a senator-juror, I swore an oath before God to exercise impartial justice”, he may have actually have seen this as a choice between something inspired by God and his party.

That and he is vastly more popular than Trump in Utah.

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It’s no Washington Times, indeed. Unfortunately everything in that article is true. I’m unsure why anyone takes anything Romney says at face value, unless they are incredibly naive or simply have not been paying attention.

Ambition must be made to counteract ambition

—James Madison, Federalist No. 51.

And I’m unsure why people are choosing to take this moment to shit on Romney for doing exactly what we hoped he (and others in the Senate) would do.

There are plenty of things to hate about Romney. Voting in favor of impeachment isn’t one of them.

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Go Mitt!
I voted for him back in 2003. Then after serving he moved out of state.

What was the final vote count on the impeachment?

He’ll never be president. His party is not going to nominate a loser a second time. He doesn’t need money. He’ll be 73 years old in a few weeks. He’s already a senator.

He’s not angling for a another job, up or down. This is his retirement. He’s already at the last stop.

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Yeah, it was a good speech, and I say that as a decidedly NOT Romney fan. Maybe even a Margaret Chase Smith moment, but only if other GOP members start splitting from the president. I don’t expect the latter to happen, but the never Trumpers of the GOP who are agitating against him now will probably through their weight behind Romney.

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I know who Mitt is.

But the speech is the speech, the words are the words, even if it’s all some kind of ploy for self-aggrandizement.

The fact that Tucker Carlson called his speech “silly moral preening” exposes how bereft of morality the GOP has become.

I also can’t rule out that Romney had some kind of crisis of conscience after the meat-grinder that is a presidential campaign, compounded by later witnessing his own party elect someone as clueless, amoral and embarrassing as Trump.

I don’t know Mitt’s intent. But I also don’t think it really matters here.

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Article I:

Should we try to stop the President from blatanty abusing the power of his office?

Yes: 48
Nah, it’s cool: 52

Article II:

Should we at least be able to investigate stuff without the President stopping us?

Yes: 47
Nah, it’s cool: 53

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Trump will aggrandize powers to himself, and veto any attempt to take them back. Recent history has much to teach us, but the lesson isn’t getting through.

Romney voted, Aye, as did Murkowski, Collins, etc.

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What? More alcohol restrictions? /Xs

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He’s got 5 kids, a couple dozen grand kids, and about twelve thousand nieces, nephews and what have.

A bunch are already involved in politics.

If he truly burns that bridge he creates issues for all of them and misses out on that sweet sweet American aristocracy crap the Bushes and Kennedys have going on.

I think it was his niece that’s already out there disowning the guy and pledging loyalty to Dear Leader.

Were I to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. The speech, which was pretty religious, and the split vote may be intended to focus on the religious right and evangelicals. The split vote might be intended to make the guilty on the clearer charge more palatable to Republicans who are already uncomfortable with Trump but otherwise are rigidly partisan. The “our guy” crowd.

With the speech meant to message an explicitly religious arguement for booting Trump. There’s a burbling debate on the religious right about Christian’s blanket support for Donnie. With less hardline Evangelicals and many Mormons calling out the bulk of Evangelicals for supporting Trump.

Evangelicals only have the influence they have due to their consistency as a lock step voting block. And because of how central they are to the religious right. And the religious right only works because it welds together Evangelicals, Mormons, and Catholics who otherwise disagree with each other using wedge issues like abortion and LGBT rights. Evangelicals are actually a pretty big minority of American Christians.

If you can suppress Evangelical turnout, or shift off enough of their votes. Trump is gone. You could potentially do that by kicking up the divides over Trump in the broader Christian community and the religious right in specific.

At the very least if you get Mormons fighting with Evangelicals over it, you undercut the influence of Evangelical voices nationwide.

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