Relevant Oglaf comic (NSFW): The Lonely Mountain
That deserves all of the applause!
The real news here is that some Welsh people don’t want a dragon penis on their flag
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I do like that especially the explanation that the Hyena is there as a Senegalese influence.
However all this talk of the penis in heraldry representing virility makes me wonder why they did not go with wildly exaggerated size.
If you identify as a man, you might laugh at this:
while at the same time be hesitant to try an orchidectomy. Maybe this bias reflects a toxic masculinity.
Some Welsh people want a dragon penis on their flag
Who doesn’t.
Can’t say i’ve ever had a discussion about the flag’s lack of dragon dong in all my years living here and the scant number of signatories seems to back that up. There are parliamentary petitions for any old daft thing.
We haven’t established that they are, in fact, Welsh. If, by default, heraldic charges are pizzled, and Y Ddraig Goch is understood as a heraldic charge, the gelders either don’t respect the traditions of heraldry, or worse, they intend to emasculate Wales. And the English have traditionally not respected Wales.
I believe there’s a whole company that specializes in this sort of thing; “bad dragon”.
(and I do not suggest that you go anywhere near that on company time!)
But you make a good point. Assuming that the dragon is more closely related to dinosaurs than modern squamata (with their hemipenes), maybe the welsh dragon should have a cloaca with teeny papilla hidden in back. You know… not very impressive there Welsh people… I’m betting Welsh dragons couldn’t possibly be related to birds because of the tiny unimpressive reproductive organs. They’ve just got to be lizards because, you know, two giant spiky cocks!
Great question. As an acknowledged non-expert in the fields of heraldry, mitology, and biology, I would first ask: Do phoenixes need penises? Apparently, phoenixes reproduce asexually, so they shouldn’t need one. In heraldry, they are usually depicted with fire in their nether parts, so it is difficult to tell whether a penis is hidden behind the flames. Furthermore, phoenixes are depicted looking like eagles, so if they are part of the extended eagle family, they are probably and unfortunately penisless. A lot more research is going to be needed to answer this key and fundamental question with absolute certainty.
You do have a point there. It might be a small symbolic detail but one made by heralds, the kind of people who think in symbols and meanings are unlikely to withhold such a detail without intent.
Here are the arms of Charlie, the current prince of Wales…
Not how all the lions, leopards, and unicorn are pizzled but the dragon is not. Earlier Beolini posted the arms of Henry VII where the Welsh Dragon clear shows their penis.
Somebody did that, with intent, and with a meaning in mind…
I had a look at my printed version of the Art of Heraldry (also avaialble at archive.org), in case the Gutenberg Project made a hash out of finally detailed illustrations.
A few examples of dragons, none have pizzles.
From The Heraldic Imagination, a more recent book on heraldry
Of course, those are recent renditions.
From Dictionary of Heraldry,
So while the argument from heraldry made logical sense, it still depended on its premises being universally true. And from the books I’ve consulted, that doesn’t seem to be the case.
The internet archive has a silly amount of material on heraldry. If you have an account, you can borrow the more recent stuff for one hour; plenty of time to settle an internet bet.
Yes and no. Well, no, actually.
They have a body part that looks a bit like a penis at a cursory glance.
However, closer inspection reveals that this is just the visible part of an organ that is basically a fire extinguisher.
Tip of the iceberg, so to speak. If the iceberg was liquid, and contained protein based foaming agents.
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Is that the Arthur Charles Fox-Davies one? I had a quick check, I couldn’t find any reference to pizzles at all.
I’m putting it down to Edwardian prudishness, as he usually champions the more vigorous mediaeval and early modern representations over the somewhat staid and anaemic forms of his own time.
I have to agree with some here: Why does the dragon have to be male?
Especially as the sovereign ruler, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is female.
P.S. The Euro chimes in to say “Hey Rocco! Mine’s bigger!” (Norway’s absence from the European Union, and thus, the map on the Euro coin, makes Sweden look like a penis and Finland like a scrotum.)
It’s there, just have to read between the lines.
FTFY