St Louis couple point guns at peaceful protestors on street by mansion

It’s just so sappy.

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Well the Bastille was a squat cube of stones and Versailles was/is a work of art of the highest order. Not quite the same thing.

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I suppose it would be when you’re the white, privileged zottarich peeking through your tasteless drapery and seeing a guillotine on your immaculate lawn.

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As is usually the case, the details matter.

https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/status/1277502087094571008
https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/status/1277502857374306304
https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/status/1277503404437274625
https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/status/1277504217440280578
https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/status/1277505475458879489
https://twitter.com/IamShaneMorris/status/1277509594051416070

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In the future, gated communities will be surrounded by actual walls. One of the HOA requirements will be that all residents must man the walls when needed. Repelling invaders takes a community.

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Well, Bonnie and Clod showed that you certainly can. But I take the meaning there as you can’t do that without consequences. Which I dearly hope for them is also the case.

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In his defense, unlike the protesters, she had a gun and represented an actual threat.

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From what I’ve read today there may be a legal grey area regarding trespassing here. The street is a private way, it is not a public street or right-of-way, however there is also no evidence anyone “broke the gate” to get in-- there is a pedestrian doorway that protesters entered single or double file. The man is saying that them being on the street is the same as them being in his living room. Oy vey. :roll_eyes:

Furthermore the couple seems to have goaded the protesters. The march was peaceful, organized and orderly until they started pointing guns and yelling at the crowd, so naturally some protesters started yelling back (almost a microcosm of how the police have instigated violence at other protests.)

The husband comparing the protest to a “storming the Bastille” moment is a big tell in my book-- these kinds of gated communities are by nature “elitist.”

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Might also be leftovers of someone’s orange makeup.

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Check @orenwolf’s post a few up. Looks like the City of St. Louis certainly thinks it’s public.

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This why I called it a “legal grey area”, I was unsure of the exact status, from what I’d read there was a lot of evidence it was private. Even the photos make it look like private property.

I expect more will emerge on this area during the week. So far most of what I’ve read does back up that the road is in fact public, but the residents either believe a myth that it’s private, or are trying to promote the idea that it’s private.

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Touché!

And (tilts hat) chapeau.

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I wish the reporter had asked “Is that why you pissed your khakis?”

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I love cold hard facts.

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Apparently Pistol Pattie is:

a) on the Missouri Bar Ethical Review Panel, and

b) on the Board of Election Commissioners.

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You know, it kinda looks like he’s aiming that gun [illegal machine gun? or is it an AK?] directly at his wife. Maybe he was hoping for an “oops, the protesters scared me into pulling the trigger”

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Yeah, the rational reaction would have been to stay inside and out of sight, not run out and wave guns at the protesters.

Edit: Am I the only one who thinks the house looks gorgeous inside, and that it’s a shame the owners happen to be assholes?

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Structural racism in the north has a lovely dual meaning here. It works both in the more traditional sense of broad interlocking systems of norms and policies that create racist outcomes. In a lot of northern cities is also works because a lot of physical barriers were constructed. Detroit famously has the Birwood Wall. Cleveland has the Shaker traffic barriers, which were being put in place while Shaker was being praised in national magazines for its forward thinking on race and still remain. All that is before we get to the mind bogglingly huge use of the interstate highway system as a tool of segregation.

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That’s still just brandishment-- i.e., showing a weapon which is to a casual glance ready for use. Waving an empty pistol around is still brandishing. Waving a revolver with the chambers open and locked out probably would not be. Since the pistol and what certainly appears to be an AR15 are both in an unknown state of unreadiness, simply being on their porch holding them is brandishing.

However, she, at the very least, has committed a much more serious crime. The moment the pistol is pointed at a person (or group of people), that becomes assault with a deadly weapon. I haven’t watched the video, nor will I, but if he ever pointed the AR15 toward the crowd, then he committed the same crime.

Remember, assault is simply the credible threat of harm. Once there’s actual harm (the gun is fired and someone is hit), that’s battery. Assault does not require (and in fact, is orthogonal to) phsyical harm. If I am walking along the street and, completely out of the blue sucker-punch someone with no warning, threat, etc. and then clearly walk away in such a way that it is obvious that I have no intention of any further actions toward anyone, I’m guilty of battery, but not assault. It’s hard to have battery without assault.

Unfortunately, one of the marchers would have to press charges for any actual consequences to happen, since they were not arrested during the incident.

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Ironically Sean Connery’s former villa in the South of France has that vibe too from the outside:

https://www.knightfrank.co.uk/properties/residential/for-sale/cap-de-nice-cote-d-azur/rsi012007413

Yours for: $33,673,683

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