Star Wars: The Force Awakens just became the highest grossing film of all time in U.S. history

After seeing this film, I can finally read that New Republic article:

The Star Wars films aren’t about good and evil. They’re about bad parenting

Thank you oh so much, Jeet Heer.

And now that I finished reading the article, (I had to see the film before actually going on past that most regretable sentence) I can fairly say: the content of the article isn’t worth it. Bad Journalist!


There’s also the time factor. It took some 300-odd days for Avatar to rake in that domestic figure.

Star Wars has done it in 20 days. >.<


I would assume there was a higher proportion of cinema goer back then.

“The Star Wars films aren’t about good and evil. They are about merchandising.”


Though to be fair I have long argued that the real creative geniuses in Hollywood, the world class artists, are the accountants.

So “did it make a profit?” well… what do you want the answer to be?



Hey @NickSay per:

When profit & loss (strictly capital) aren’t primary motivators, we’ll have a good chance at one.


I first saw SWeIV in Paris - it’s just not the same with the Big V being voiced by Gerard Depardieu. Trust me. I don’t recall any of the actors having the same “voice makes the character element” that DV has (it’s a big part of that character) - aside from maybe Lupita Nyong’o’s character?

I wonder if any of this gets lost in the Chinese translation - speaking of, anyone know off hand if it’s a dub or a reader for China? I’m thinking dub just to reach a wider audience - not that they can’t read, just that “readers” are “generally” less popular - but readers keep the original voice acting so, dunno.

Edit: stoopid automangle

Men’s rights activists declare victory over Star Wars

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Not sure why you’d yell at the screen there… it’s canon. They’re not going to change it just because wannabe-pedants are confused about what it means. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I doubt it - way fewer people had any kind of access to electricity in 1939.

Spaceballs the flamethrower?


Han’s response to that was one of my favourite moments the first time I saw the movie (now seen it 3 times in theatres). And the retconned explanation from the previous no-longer-canon EU books is good enough, for my pedant trigger.

How I know they’re on the right track with the new Star Wars: George Lucas didn’t like it.


When she said 14 I, and several others in the theater, yelled out 12, right in time with the other character who corrected her. It was the type of kneejerk fan service call / response that worked for me.


I haven’t hit the theaters yet here in China, but from what I hear, movies generally have subtitles. I think this is fairly common even for Chinese language films, so the films can be understood across all “dialects.”

I know an American who saw one of the Marvel films over here, and it was all in the original language, which means (since he doesn’t read Chinese or speak French) he had no idea what was happening during the bit in France.


What I want to know is she knew all about that and the owner of said thing, and had even been on board, but didn’t recognize it?


Maybe the new owner called it the Centennial Chicken or something, and she didn’t know any better?


It’s actually interesting that (from the movies, at least, I don’t know the expanded universe) almost everything that people know in Star Wars is through oral history. I don’t recall seeing a single book, or seeing anyone look at a single photograph or even a drawing. A galaxy where people fly spaceships but, as far as I can tell, barely read.

I’m sure you can prove me wrong and find someone thumbing through a book, or a picture tacked on a wall (especially in eps I-III, which I’ve erased from memory), but I think the point is valid that Rey could have heard all sorts of stories of the millennium falcon and not have any idea what it was supposed to look like.

To me it’s the same as the oddity that, in episode IV, you can have major players of the Empire using the Force on a daily basis, and still have well-travelled, intelligent people like Han Solo dismiss it as a myth. No one has video cameras, except the odd droid, so if all your stories are oral history, it’s reasonable to assume that most of what you hear is exaggerated.

Are we actually worried that people who haven’t seen this and are stupid enough to read this far down a thread are going to be annoyed about spoilers?


Note that the Millennium Falcon, while modified for Han’s smuggling operations, was still just a Corellian YT-1300 light freighter. Of which many were made. I can’t recall from the old EU canon if there was anything that would specifically make the Falcon stand out vs any other YT-1300 light freighter. But at the same time, she knew that Unkar Plutt stole it from the Erwin Boys, who stole it from Duquesne, but she didn’t know that Duquesne stole it from Han? Or maybe she DID hear that it was THE Millennium Falcon and that Duquesne had stolen it from Han, but didn’t believe it?

I like using spoiler tags, even though they’re almost certainly unnecessary.

Note that most of the people who only hear things through oral history seem to be uneducated folks (farmers, like Luke, or scavenger orphans, like Rey). I think most folks in the Star Wars galaxy use things like tablets and computers for all their readin’s.

I think it’s more odd in the prequels, where Jedi seem to be errand-boys for the Republic, than it is in the Episode IV time. At that point, there’s only two (generally) known force users in the whole galaxy, the Emperor and Vader. And how many people actually ever encounter either of them? You think the police are bad about the public recording their actions in America, imagine an innocent bystander recording Vader force choking somebody, and how they would be treated? Or people trying to pass such things around an Empire-controlled equivalent of the internet? I agree that it’s still a little bit far fetched that EVERYBODY seems to have completely forgotten about the Jedi in the 20ish years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, but I’m ok with a little bit of handwavery around this stuff (there’s plenty of stuff I had issue with in Force Awakens, and I’ve still seen it three times in theatres).

It’s not like there were millions of jedi, either. More like a few thousand, at most. The odds any person from a planet far from Coruscant ever witnessing a jedi use the force must’ve been fairly slim.

naysayers are no fun

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