Take on the world with this Wonder Woman gif

Tights are not pants- they are socks. Lots of women and children wear leggings, though not usually leggings that cleave their buttocks. The fact that leggings exist doesn’t explain the editorial choice to pose her the way that they did.

Snipers rely on stealth. Not only is there no opportunity for distraction, being seen while loaded with a heavy sniper rifle is dangerous. Both women’s designs are tired tropes that make women into eye candy.


Probably because it’s not an “M” rated game, but they somehow still felt the need to sexualize the female characters.

What does that have to do with objectifying men in general?[quote=“Mister44, post:28, topic:103768”]
Men are visual creatures and simple minded in a lot of ways, thus easy to manipulate. If “something shiny” makes it attractive, its hard to find a reason to not include some of it.


ETA these excuses are as tired lame the tropes applied to Widowmaker and Tracer.


My teenage daughter watches her friends wear just leggeings and no other bottoms. Her mom and I have routinely reminded her that leggenibgs like that are not to be worn as pants.

She is not pleased each time we reinforce this.

Oh, I feel a bit bad about slagging it off then. I’ve seen enough professionals do the spine twist thing that it didn’t tip me off it was fan art, and I’d normally never be that critical of non-professional art.

I do believe that Superman’s superfabric is about as indestructible as he is, for whatever reason. For the rest of them, what you say makes sense. Except maybe Rogue. Rogue would probably want to keep pretty well covered. Even superheros bump into strangers sometimes.


Yeah. Rogue is one who should be covered head to toe.

Bad spinal injuries you say? Always calls for some LIEFELD!!!


Dude… noooooo.

You’re better than using the lamest justifications available for gratuitous female sexual objectification.

ALL people are visual and visually stimulated, not 'just men.'

But as Magdalene put it so succinctly the last (and umpteenth) time this conversation was had:


High marks for this response. Higher marks for using a Gus gif.


Gus’ facial expressions are perfect for reaction gifs…


Finally saw Wonder Woman today! Quite an enjoyable film but boy howdy did it share a lot of plot points with Captain America: The First Avenger. Like the strength-enhanced rogue German guy who murders his fellow officers so he can continue his secret weapons program. It even ended with an American soldier named Steve played by a chiseled blonde guy named Chris heroically sacrificing himself to keep an improbably large German airplane from killing countless civilians with poison gas bombs.


I’m sorry, I can’t read or like that yet since my cousin and I are planning to see it this weekend…


Enjoy! Like I said it’s still a good movie. Just… familiar in some respects.


That many/most male characters are idealized and attractive. I’ve already said that the level of sexualization is less than in women, but it is still pretty prevalent that the male hero is some one “women want, and men want to be”.

Acknowledging it happens - and WHY - isn’t the same thing as justifying it or excusing it. I don’t believe I’ve done either.

The reason these things exist is because it appeals to some people on a base level. If two identical products sell differently because of the packaging, then it is very easy to see why one would produce that type of packaging. I’m not saying that makes it right or ok.

Again what started this was complaining about Overwatch was “borderline”, when I think it is a good example of a company trying to offer up diverse and non-stereotypical characters. While overall attractive, I don’t think they are hypersexulalized either.

Fair point Widowmaker is blase, I already mentioned that. And originally their line up didn’t look like this. But they took the effort to listen to fans and commenters, and expand the line up. If all they had to offer was Tracer and Widowmaker, this criticism would be well warranted. But they have many other characters with a much larger variation of color, age, and body type than pretty much any other game like this. It’s fair to say they can work to continue to improve, but I also think it’s fair to say they are moving in the right direction.

My doctor friend is usually clad in leggings and some long sweater or shirt (and presumably her doctor coat on duty). I guess she finds them comfy.


You make me really glad I skipped the first Captain America movie, and never looked back.

If DC is stealing narratives from Marvel films and the final result ends up not being a depressing, violent train wreck, then I’m okay that.

Also, I’m extra okay with any chiseled blonde guy by any name heroically sacrificing himself, instead of the usual trope where a person of color is the one doing the ‘heroic self-sacrifice’ to save the white protagonists’ asses; that unfair racial trope has been done to death… pun intended, obvs.

Fair enough, but saying “men are more visual” is a highly fallacious reason; it’s simply not true.

It’s merely that women are typically socialized to suppress their urge to ‘look,’ whereas men are encouraged to indulge theirs.


Honestly I’m not even sure who is stealing from who because I’m not familiar enough with the early comics to know if Wonder Woman had (for example) a bulletproof shield with a star in the middle or a ragtag multi-national group of misfits to carry out secret missions behind the German front lines with before Captain America did.

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Um. Wait. Please tell me that you know nothing of Wonder Woman or Captain America other than these two films. Because of your knowledge base ends there then I can forgive your ignorance to the actual comic book history of both characters and how they already lined up with similar plot points and details long before the films ever happened.

First skipping Captain america: The Winter Soldier is a shame. It’s a fantastic film only made more fantastic by the fact it is a superhero film ta boot.

Great ensemble cast. Well acted. Well scripted. Just top notch all around.

Second. The tripe in films especially war films IS the big blonde hero guy sacrificing himself. There was an episode of MASH from season 1 “sometimes you hear the bullet”. It specifically deals with this tripe in books and movies "the big dumb blonde hero who dies and says “I never heard no bullet”. And Hawkeye’s best friend says “that’s not how it happens.” alluding to how hey hear it and they scream and cry and die pitifully, not heroically.

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Well obviously they always had a lot of overlap. I just didn’t expect anything quite so note-for-note as the aforementioned Steve-played-by-Chris-bidding-goodbye-to-his-love-interest-before-sacrificing-himself-to-fly-the-German-airplane-filled-with-poison-gas-bombs-to-a-safe-distance-from-civilization scene. I mean, that’s a perfectly valid way to end a superhero period piece set during a World War, I just wouldn’t have thought they’d opt to use it for two such movies in a row.


Fair point. That specific detail is very “appropriate” to a ww1 or ww2 flick, and could have been done differently for WW since for Cap that was exactly the original storyline for his origins as to being frozen for 50 yrs.

Both named Steve is accurate to comics as is them being blonde. Both being played by guys named Chris is coincidental nothing more.

beyond having both main male parts “die” by sacrificing themselves is the only piece that stands out as “couldn’t it have been done differently?” But honestly I think they chose to end Steve Trevor’s storyline how they did so as not to have the duplication of marvels Rogers and an elderly Peggy Carter.

Also. “In a row”? You know marvel and D.C. Films are entirely independent of one another. And that CA the first avenger is now in fact 6 years old? These aren’t “in a row” in any way shape or form.

I’d call it more of a “trend” than a coincidence. White guys named Chris are always playing Captains and pilots and space heroes and guys who work with Zoe Saldana. Some even do all those things in the same movie.


“In a row” meaning that they are the last two big-budget Hollywood movies putting an iconic titular superhero in a period film set during a World War. Given that, I would have expected them to avoid plot devices that would encourage such direct comparison.

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