Teacher accidentally discharges handgun in school toilet, hurting self

Or to protect the teachers from themselves.

Because you think that people who gun down schools are thinking rationally?

This isnā€™t a bank robbery where people case out the joint and work out the number of armed guards. This is the extremely rare psycho with access to guns who wants to kill people, including himself.

As this accident shows, having elementary school teachers carrying guns increases the chance that a kid will get shot, it doesnā€™t decreases it.

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That sounds terrifying. I wonder how all those bad guys are able to acquire so many fearsome weapons.

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alternate explanationā€¦

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Just Google the phrase ā€œpolice officer accidentally dischargesā€ and see what you get. Cops are trained professionals. The first time Iā€™ve ever heard of anyone shooting himself in a toilet, it was a cop. We regard soldiers as trained professionals, yet most of us know one who has witnessed or been involved in a shooting accident. Maybe you personally donā€™t know one, but that doesnā€™t make it true. And telling me that having a gun in a school increases the likelihood of a child getting shot is the same as saying having food in a school increases the choking hazard. (Here comes the complaint that Iā€™m comparing choking to getting shot, Iā€™m speaking figuratively, or typing, Iā€™m sorry Iā€™m wrong on the internet). And Iā€™m sorry I was wrong. Everybody knows that having someone armed in a school is not a deterrent.

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It only exists in their paranoid, fear-soaked fantasies. Iā€™m a small-ish white female whoā€™s gone downtown Detroit alone a number of times, even at night (yes, on purpose), and I have never, not once, felt like I needed a gun to protect myself. If thatā€™s not the ā€œbad placeā€ in the minds of these fools, then I donā€™t think any such place actually exists.

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Ya, quite a few hits ā€“ try ā€œPolice officer accidentally firesā€ and the hits go up by an order of magnitudeā€¦
This recent gem bubbled to the top when I switched to a ā€œnewsā€ search:
HPD officerā€™s gun reportedly goes off inside bathroom stall - Hawaii News - Honolulu Star-Advertiser
No way that a trained professional would do what that teacher didā€¦

Television station KHON-2 reported that the gun went off inside the bathroom stall of a popular store.

An employee of the store told the station that the bullet went through the wall of the officerā€™s stall, appeared to ricochet off a door frame, and ended up in the wall of an adjacent stall.

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Jesus, that quote. Itā€™sā€¦ itā€™s fucking crazy. Iā€™m trying to break it down to look for something reasonable in there, but every bit of it is either nuts by itself, or itā€™s insane because the solution being presented to the particular problem is ā€œmore guns.ā€

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Says the person protected by the powers of Resting Bitch Face

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Has any school shooter chosen a target according to its convenience value yet? Iā€™ll admit that I skimmed a bit; but of the incidents on the list some sort of motive dictating the specific school chosen was nearly universal (Iā€™m not sure if there were enough other schools around during the Enoch Brown School Massacre for that to be a choice or not; and the motives of the Amish school shooter are pretty murky, so that one isnā€™t clear).

Your knowledge of carry stats might make you prioritize teachers during room clearing operations; but it appears to be overwhelmingly the case that school shooters shoot up schools they have personal connections to (either they attend, work at, or are gunning for somebody who does) and that the expectations of survival on the shooterā€™s part are quite low (for the spree killers, less so for the single-victim and accidental shootings that happen to occur on campuses). Many shoot themselves, and police tactics havenā€™t involved ā€˜encircle and negotiateā€™ for well over a decade at this point, since the expectation is that the shooter will keep shooting until engaged.

If you were just looking to kill a bunch of people, doesnā€™t matter who, for some reason, your knowledge of the carry rates might factor in to your choice; but it simply doesnā€™t seem to be the case that school shooters work that way.

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But itā€™s the cost-benefit balance between likelihood/impact of problem vs. solution that matters here, not simple one-dimensional numbers:

original scenario:
problem: being shot by a crazed gunman
solution: arm all the teachers (and donā€™t tighten gun regulations)
balancing: the danger of crazed gunman attacking any particular school is pretty rare, and the solution wonā€™t do much to change that. Plus an additional danger of accidental shooting increases significantly. soo, danger on top of danger without much payoff.

Your scenario:
problem: starvation / malnutrition
solution: food
do I need to do this one?

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Plus, those teachers are still concealed carrying wherever they go after school, the grocery store, the movies, etcā€¦ and following the ā€œsave the childrenā€ logic, parents, volunteers, coaches, uncles and aunts would also be encouraged to carry. So wherever adults-with-children-in-their-lives might congregate, on purpose or by accident*, the carry ratio has also increased, meaning schools would (statistically) float back toward their previous position.

*and donā€™t be fooled, theyā€™re everywhere

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Man, youā€™ve got a good memory. :wink:

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Certain things ā€œstickā€ ā€“ rarely useful things.
Personā€™s name? never sticks, but I will remember, forever, the story about their 2nd cousin (oh, thatā€™s lima beanā€™s cousin ā€“ WTF is his name?).

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Sometimes my faith in Darwin is let downā€¦

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You ever heard the term ā€˜Saturday night specialā€™? Iā€™m sure thatā€™s what she could afford on a teacherā€™s budget.

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Basically itā€™s mayo+ketchup+pickle juice/other spices of choice.

Just adding this to the discussion.
(Fair warning: NSFW graphic images. The site is called ā€œnegligent dischargeā€)

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Though itā€™s a rather versatile word, I canā€™t imagine a website with ā€œdischargeā€ in the title that would be SFWā€¦

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Iā€™ll have you know that I HAD forgotten that Iā€™d seen that movie.

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