Texas cop suspended for body slamming 12-year-old girl onto concrete

Yes yes, just dismiss me for acknowledging all the problems and agreeing there needs to be better policing of the police, yet am unwilling to lump all cops together. Such a silly pwivaledged meany.

Again - EXACTLY the same argument the right wing makes against moderate/western Muslims.

Talk to some actual cops sometime. I’ve seen many condemn examples like the original topic, blatantly saying they shouldn’t be cops. You know, learn about the actual people involved instead of just the caricature in your head. That pretty much his how any two groups butting heads is ever going to gain any mutual understanding and empathy for the other.

And again, I am specifically disagreeing with the portrayal of cops being “untrustworthy, lying, aggressive, trigger-happy thugs who will beat, maim, or kill you without warning, provocation”. And I am not even a big fan of cops - but I don’t think the above statement is accurate.

Question, you wake up and some guy is smashing your car with a crow bar. What do you do? Are you going to call the cops or just let it go and hopes he tires himself out on the car and doesn’t move on to your house or you? Because if I TRULY thought the above, I wouldn’t call the cops on anyone.

Have a good night!

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I’d say, “That isn’t my homework, Mr. Sobchak”

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he just got a suspension? This is fucking assaulting a child.

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Yeah, but they’re lying. Whether a criticism is legitimate depends on, among other things, whether it is true. And since your proposed remedy is that I should personally talk, off the record, to the same cops you do, you’re not exactly refuting what I said.

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Also, “moderate/western Muslims” have repeatedly publicly distanced themselves from and furthermore condemned terrorism.

When have the “good cops” done likewise to those who abuse their authority?

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Except moderate muslims are loud and clear, speak in groups, and are being ignored.

Not so with cops.

There’s also the finer point that cops now seem to have the legal authority and court precedent to do anything they want to any random civilian up to and including killing them, and then experience no negative consequences. Making a discriminatory blanket statement against a privileged group that does a common job for us who we are supposed to be the boss of, and refuses to police itself, is not the same as making a blanket discriminatory statement against a fragmented religious group with a clear radical fringe nobody likes.

I’ve spoken with cops. The moment you try to ask them about things like the killing of Tamir Rice, they will absolutely refuse to say that the officer or department was in the wrong. They’ll say things like “we should ban toy guns” before they say “we cops need better oversight, cuz some guys on the force are monsters.”

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No, you see, it’s our duty, NAY, OBLIGATION, to bend over and take it for those in charge. We’re only here to please them… clearly those “resisting arrest” have done something wrong, otherwise, the cops (our lords and saviors) wouldn’t be there in the first place. Repeat after me - the authorities are ALWAYS RIGHT and you are ALWAYS WRONG WHEN YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM!!! /s

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How about “attempted murder”? (like you know if I hit a cop on the head with a brick…)[physics dictates that it doesn’t really matter which of the two objects is moving at brain damaging speed…].

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Why not? Although he claims tribal membership, we have no idea what he looks like. Anyway, we know who he talks like.

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I was about to post something similar myself.

From a brain injury point of view, slamming a head into concrete is functionally identical to braining them with a cinder block.

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Ya, very true. I know a few Ojibwe tribal members from back home who are much whiter than me (and - even though I got a wee bit of mom’s olive tone - that is not exactly easy).
FWIW, this is my mental image of mister44

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Yet another police abuse thread in which the pro-cop voice has the single highest comment count of all commentators here. Whenever it comes to defending police or capitalism, it’s always like that on BB. But to be fair, nearly every other discussion space displays the same pattern, which only makes sense because it’s repeated by the camp defending authority and privilege.

Reading through this conversation and others like it, the necessary functions that police perform always come up in some form or another (like the crowbar scenario above). I believe that it was Henri Lefebvre who said (not 100% sure), “Capitalism and the State excel at creating problems to which only they can provide the solutions.” We see this dynamic play out in every sphere of life–perhaps most notably for this conversation, in crime/policing, drugs/drug war, terrorism/war on terror, etc. In each case we can see capitalism and its imperialist manifestations creating problems and then providing “solutions” that guarantee their longevity, all the while failing to even bring up the source problems–capitalism and the state.

So to answer ol’ 44’s classically miscreant crowbar scenario, one can be anti-police and still take a position against crime–starting with the biggest and most powerful criminals of all, capitalists and governments. The scenario unfortunately begs for an answer that escapes from the narrow confines of the question; the answer is quite simply that the solution to the problem of the police has to address systematic flaws like the fact that even though society and technology are increasingly productive we still have rampant inequality and long work hours, right in the middle of the society of over-abundance. Or that “democracy” is and always has been a total lie, right from the very beginning, and all of the freedom that it promises is constantly withheld or even overthrown by the very governments that proclaim it the loudest; I’m speaking of course about the US and other complicit governments’ colonial habit of denying the world’s revolutions their due, most recently in supporting dictators in response to the Arab Spring, but also including the meddling in Syria and the way that every single major social upheaval is crushed by state violence, maybe even given some token trophies that make it harder to see that many of the same old problems are still there (Civil Rights and the end of segregation in the US, the defeat of Apartheid in South Africa, even the passage of labor laws as a way to cover up barbaric labor practices the world over).

It’s hard to talk about what that cop did to the little girl without raising our gaze to the state that empowers him and the capitalist system that the state manages and protects over and against the interests of the overwhelming majority of people on the planet. Why are police in schools? Ostensibly because of problematic student behavior (nevermind what we suppose to be the “real” reasons). Such behaviors, where they actually exist, start in the home, the nucleus where all of capitalism’s problems come into clear focus on the people who live together in it–problems that they can’t solve, like being over-worked and stressed, or being misled by ads and ideology about what would bring them happiness, problems that they can’t begin to solve for the simple and practical reason of having limited time, because it is their time that is owned by capitalists and the state, and they have so little of it left over from the daily grind (much less other resources, usually). Never mind that the revolutionary infrastructure that we need in place in order to transform society isn’t allowed to develop, is even actively destroyed when it becomes a threat, and its defeat by violence is always used after the fact as a resounding judgment of its merits.

When these problems manifest in a single instant of police brutality, we should avoid the temptation of narrowing our focus and leaping into the endless and futile circus of reforms and debates about them. There is no grand, rational solution, only us.

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i can see the comon sense flying away in the video.

I assume you mean me? I don’t think I have been pro-cop. I have been anti-anti-cop. There is a difference. I’ve acknowledged and agree with pretty much ALL of the BAD issues that need fixed. I have acknowledged that some departments have systematic abuse issues.

The point I have - I think if you step back you will see is a valid one - is that we should not have a baseline bias that cops are “untrustworthy, lying, aggressive, trigger-happy thugs who will beat, maim, or kill you without warning, provocation”.

That’s it.

But if you are sitting there going, “Well, we can in this case because it is totally true!” The congrats, you have become what you hate most!

You make a lot of comments about how this basically trickles up to abuse of state power etc. I am no fan of the government. I criticize the government at every turn. I even agree with a lot your comments. But when you get to the boots on the ground - the PEOPLE who make up the police, the military, the IRS, whatever, they are PEOPLE.

If you stick to your baseline bias that all blank are bad, there will never be unity and understanding between you and that group - which is ironically what the enemy wants!

ETA:

Except I have agreed with pretty much everything that you say is a problem, is a problem.

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How the hell is it a straw man when someone says “Kids need to learn police are [bad].” Is that not setting one’s default opinion about that group of people?

I guess I can’t grasp the double-think here to conclude this ok.

I often hear even kids say things like “basketball sure are tall,” while also realizing (as most listeners do too) that not ALL basketball players are tall.

And by the way, are you now implying that black parents shouldn’t have The Talk with their kids?

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It’s actually really common in Texas to have officers employed by the school district, especially large and urban school districts. I don’t know about other states. As for why this is, I’m not sure. The excuse I hear most often is drug and gang violence. Which is actually present at middle schools in San Antonio, as well as other places. Then again, there are an awful lot of citations for disorderly conduct when kids are misbehaving in class. Not fighting, but arguing and cussing and such. But there are also a lot of assaults against teachers at some of these schools, not just mutual fights between students.
I don’t think the district cops get any special training on handling kids. They should, but they don’t. Just like every law enforcement officer should get extensive training on handling mentally ill or impaired people.

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OMG. So are you saying perpetuation negative stereotypes are ok if you preface it with, well not all of them. Even in your harmless example I would remind them some great players were of shorter stature - and there are even great women players out there!

Can you imagine anyone saying that about any other group of people? 'You got to be careful about such and such group, because they like to do x, y, z. Well not all of them. That young boy in your class seems like a nice fellow."

And no, I am implying no such thing. Only that any such talks should be balanced. I won’t have to have a talk with my kid about race, but I will have to have a talk with her about men and watching out for people who want to harm her. Am I going to make her fearful of all men because some are abusers? Or steer her away from certain types of men, say Muslims because so many of them have such a patriarchal hierarchy?

Have fun with that straw man. Hope it’s at least a good workout.

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